Tenoke comments on How to offend a rationalist (who hasn't thought about it yet): a life lesson - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Tenoke 06 February 2013 06:35:45PM 0 points [-]

Well, thanks for the distinction between suicidal intentions but I don't see this to be really relevant to what I said. In this example 'on the verge of suicide' referred to:

And that did it. For the rest of the day, I wreaked physical havoc, and emotionally alienated everyone I interacted with. I even seriously contemplated suicide.

Seriously contemplating something is semi-synonymous with being on the verge of doing something. I can't really help you decipher how suicidal he was but if I had to guess he was just exaggerating.

Comment author: [deleted] 06 February 2013 07:09:36PM 5 points [-]

Sorry about that. I was trying to break something that seemed unclear into concrete examples, but on looking at it again, I think it may have been a bit too much armchair psychology, and when I tried explaining what I was saying, my explanation sounded even more like armchair psychology (but this time I noticed before posting). Thank you for helping me see that problem more clearly.

Comment author: magfrump 07 February 2013 05:51:52AM *  0 points [-]

Seriously contemplating something is semi-synonymous with being on the verge of doing something.

From my perspective, Tuesday would feel like "seriously contemplating" from the inside; even late Monday night could too I think.

So I disagree with the quoted sentence.

EDIT addition for clarity: Had I personally felt like the "Tuesday" scenario described above, I could easily imagine myself describing the event as "seriously contemplating suicide," regardless of what other people think about the definition of "seriously contemplate." So it seems wise to me not to dismiss the possibility that when someone described their situation, it may be less serious than you personally think should be the definition of those words.