Nebu comments on A brief history of ethically concerned scientists - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Nebu 14 April 2013 03:10:53PM *  0 points [-]

What's the difference between "Survival" and "having at least one survivor"?

The way I see it:

  • If I'm dead, 0 points.
  • If I'm alive, but my city got nuked, so it's like a nuclear wasteland, 1 point.
  • If I'm alive, and living via normal north american standards, 2 points.

We're assuming a conflict is about to happen, I guess, or else the hypothetical scenario is boring and there are no important choices for me to make.

The question is not "Do I elect a crazy leader or a non-crazy leader?", but rather, "Do I elect a leader that's believes 'all's fair in love and war?' or a leader that believes in 'always keep your word and die with honor'?"

I.e. if you think "ethical vs unethical" means "will retaliate-but-not-initiate vs will not retaliate-but-not-intiiate", then it's no wonder why we're having communication problems.

Comment author: Decius 14 April 2013 09:26:51PM 0 points [-]

"Having at least one survivor" means that humanity exists at the end of the game. "Surviving" means that your country exists at the end of the game.

I sidestepped 'ethical' entirely in favor of 'practical'. I also had to address this question in a manner not nearly as hypothetical or low-stakes as this.

Comment author: Nebu 15 April 2013 02:57:35PM 0 points [-]

Okay, thanks.

So it sounds to me like this is not iterated prisoner's dilemma, because if my country gets nuked, I do not get to elect another military leader for the next round.

Comment author: Decius 15 April 2013 07:03:20PM 0 points [-]

... Political leader. No nation with nukes currently elects military leaders.