simplicio comments on Philosophical Landmines - Less Wrong

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Comment author: simplicio 08 February 2013 11:49:32PM 1 point [-]

Consequentialism works really well as an everyday heuristic also. Particularly when it comes to public policy.

Comment author: Jayson_Virissimo 09 February 2013 12:12:08AM 3 points [-]

I don't know about you, but I don't do public policy on a day to day basis.

Comment author: Nornagest 09 February 2013 12:25:36AM 0 points [-]

Few of us do public policy on a daily basis, but many of us have opinions on it, and of those that don't most of us have friends that do. Not that having correct policy judgment buys you much in that context, consequentially speaking; I think the hedonic implications would probably end up being decided by how much you need to keep beliefs on large-scale policy coherent with beliefs on small-scale matters that you can actually affect nontrivially.

Comment author: Jayson_Virissimo 15 February 2013 01:07:38AM 1 point [-]

Few of us do public policy on a daily basis, but many of us have opinions on it, and of those that don't most of us have friends that do. Not that having correct policy judgment buys you much in that context, consequentially speaking; I think the hedonic implications would probably end up being decided by how much you need to keep beliefs on large-scale policy coherent with beliefs on small-scale matters that you can actually affect nontrivially.

People that have little chance of ever actually doing public policy have virtually no incentive to have true beliefs about it and even if they did, they likely wouldn't get enough feedback to know if their heuristics about it are accurate.

Comment author: Eugine_Nier 15 February 2013 04:24:34AM 2 points [-]

even if they did, they likely wouldn't get enough feedback to know if their heuristics about it are accurate.

Unfortunately, the same frequently applies to the people who actually do do public policy, especially since they are frequently not effected by their own decisions.

Comment author: Jayson_Virissimo 15 February 2013 04:55:45AM 1 point [-]

Unfortunately, the same frequently applies to the people who actually do do public policy, especially since they are frequently not effected by their own decisions.

True enough.

Comment author: Eugine_Nier 09 February 2013 12:38:52AM 4 points [-]

Particularly when it comes to public policy.

That would require being able to predict the results of public policy decisions with a reasonable degree of accuracy.

Comment author: findis 17 February 2013 03:56:00AM 3 points [-]

Wouldn't a rational consequentialist estimate the odds that the policy will have unpredictable and harmful consequences, and take this into consideration?

Regardless of how well it works, consequentialism essentially underlies public policy analysis and I'm not sure how one would do it otherwise. (I'm talking about economists calculating deadweight loss triangles and so on, not politicians arguing that "X is wrong!!!")

Comment author: Eugine_Nier 17 February 2013 04:36:13AM 0 points [-]

Wouldn't a rational consequentialist estimate the odds that the policy will have unpredictable and harmful consequences, and take this into consideration?

The discussion was about consequentialist heuristics, not hypothetical perfectly rational agents.

Comment author: whowhowho 11 February 2013 11:36:56AM *  0 points [-]

I think the central trick is that you don't aim at the ultimate good in public policy, just things like fairness, aggreegated life years and so on. You can decide that spending a certain amount of money will save X lives in road safety, or Y lives in medicine, and so on, without worrying that you might be saving the life of the next Hitler.

Comment author: Eugine_Nier 12 February 2013 05:53:03AM 0 points [-]

My point still stands.

Comment author: whowhowho 12 February 2013 10:35:35AM 0 points [-]

Maybe, but it doesn't reflect back on the usefulness of c-ism as a fully fledged moral theory.

Comment author: Eugine_Nier 12 February 2013 05:50:19PM 1 point [-]

This discussion was about consequentialism as an everyday heuristic.