Decius comments on Is suicide high-status? - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Jack 13 February 2013 02:39:45AM 4 points [-]

I don't know where you think you're getting this from but it's wrong. Thinking of suicide without planning is sufficient in every definition I have ever seen and every definition I can find online. There is a typical distinction between active ideation and passive ideation, where the former includes planning-- perhaps that is your confusion. Or perhaps you think a person with suicidal ideation must be suicidal; that isn't the case.

Mental thoughts and images which hinge around committing suicide.

McGraw-Hill Concise Dictionary of Modern Medicine

recurring thoughts of or preoccupation with suicide

Miller-Keane Encyclopedia and Dictionary of Medicine, Nursing, and Allied Health

Planning is definitely not necessary-- as the term is often specifically opposed to planning. E.g. One of the DSM criteria for "Major Depressive Episode" is " recurrent suicidal ideation without a specific plan".

Comment author: Decius 13 February 2013 09:23:39PM 1 point [-]

So someone who volunteers at a suicide hotline regularly automatically meets one criteria for 'major depressive episode'?

Comment author: juliawise 16 February 2013 03:17:45AM 0 points [-]

Thinking about other people committing suicide is different from thinking about doing it yourself.