Desrtopa comments on Utilitarianism twice fails - Less Wrong

-26 [deleted] 21 February 2013 06:10AM

You are viewing a comment permalink. View the original post to see all comments and the full post content.

Comments (17)

You are viewing a single comment's thread. Show more comments above.

Comment author: Desrtopa 22 February 2013 01:06:58AM 1 point [-]

Further, the organization may produce results that none of the citizens desire (see 1984).

I don't think 1984 is a good example, since the government in 1984 served the desires of the Party members very well.

On the other hand, I would agree that a government can still end up producing results that none of the citizens actually desire as end goals, mostly due to perverse incentives and lost purposes.

Comment author: buybuydandavis 22 February 2013 02:15:04AM *  2 points [-]

On 1984, I don't think the O'Brien displays any love for the Party. He's playing his part, because he has little choice, like everyone else.

I think that's the point. Everyone can get screwed by the wrong institutions that no one intends. There doesn't have to be an evil cabal for an evil result. One set of institutions can bring a benevolent invisible hand, and another can bring a boot stomping a human face forever, both in contradiction to the intent of the individual actors involved.

Dennett calls it competence without comprehension, though I've never seen him give Adam Smith any credit. The system does what it does, without knowing what it does.