Peter_McCluskey comments on "I don't know." - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Peter_McCluskey 22 December 2006 08:50:54PM 1 point [-]

The claim that "when you have to actually bet, you still bet at 1:5 odds" overlooks some information that is commonly communicated via markets. When I trade on a market, I often do it by submitting a bid (offer to buy) and/or an ask (offer to sell). The difference between the prices at which I'm willing to place those two kinds of orders communicates something beyond what I think the right odds are. If I'm willing to buy "Hillary Clinton Elected President in 2008" at 23 and sell at 29, and only willing to buy "Person Recovers from Cryonic Suspension by 2040" at 8 and sell at 44, that tells you I'm more uncertain about wise odds for cryonics than for the 2008 election. For more sophisticated markets, option prices could communicate even more info of this sort.

Comment author: DanielLC 25 May 2011 05:13:35AM 1 point [-]

There's no rational reason to do this. If you think that X has more than a 25% chance of being true given that the market is at 25%, you'd buy at 25%. If you think it has less than a 25% chance of being true, you'd sell at 25%.

There's no way you're going to think that it has exactly an 8% chance of being true given that the market is at 8% and exactly a 44% chance of being true given that the market is at 44%. If you're really more sure of the market than yourself, it will be close, but you can always improve it slightly.

Comment author: evand 22 June 2012 05:22:09AM 0 points [-]

Really? What about the Kelly Criterion

Comment author: DanielLC 22 June 2012 07:08:22AM 2 points [-]

The Kelly Criterion is when you're betting with something that you value logarithmically. That is, doubling it gives you a constant utility. As such, it's not an even bet. For example, if you have $1500, and you've already bet $500 and you're considering betting another $1, you're comparing gaining $1 when you have $2000 with losing $1 when you have $1000. Since the dollar is twice as valuable in the second case, you're actually betting at 1:2 odds.

Also, the Kelly Criterion limits the amount you're betting based on your certainty. You still bet something.

Comment author: Vaniver 22 June 2012 05:28:04AM *  1 point [-]

There's no rational reason to do this. If you think that X has more than a 25% chance of being true given that the market is at 25%, you'd buy at 25%. If you think it has less than a 25% chance of being true, you'd sell at 25%.

Risk aversion and transaction costs are both real and reasonable things. If I think there's a 25% chance of X, and someone else thinks there's a 24% chance of X, it's not worthwhile for us to bet on whether or not X will be true, because there's so little money on the table and so much variability in whether or not X will happen.