TheOtherDave comments on Why Bayes? A Wise Ruling - Less Wrong

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Comment author: [deleted] 06 March 2013 05:32:03PM *  1 point [-]

Basically what I asked Eliezer: What sense of the word "sentient" is he using, such that babies plausibly don't qualify? My de facto read of the term and a little digging around Google show two basic senses:

-Possessing sensory experiences (I'm pretty sure insects and even worms do that)
-SF/F writer's term for "assume this fictional entity is a person" (akin to "sapient"; it's a binary personhood marker, or a secularized soul -- it tells the reader to react accordingly to this character's experiences and behavior)

The latter, applied to the real world, sounds rather more like "soul" than anything coherent and obvious. The former, denied in babies, sounds bizarre and obviously untrue. So...I'm missing something, and I'd like to know what it is.

Comment author: TheOtherDave 06 March 2013 06:40:28PM 1 point [-]

Ah! I understand, now. Thanks for clarifying.

I mostly understand "sentient" as most people use the term as the second meaning. Eliezer in particular seems to use "sentient" and "person" pretty much interchangeably here, for example, without really defining either, so I understand him to use the word similarly.

The latter, applied to the real world, sounds rather more like "soul" than anything coherent and obvious.

Were I inclined to turn this assertion into a question, it would probably be something like "what properties does a typical adult have that a typical 1-year-old lacks which makes it more OK to kill the latter than the former?"

Is that the question you're asking?

Comment author: [deleted] 07 March 2013 12:18:05AM 0 points [-]

Were I inclined to turn this assertion into a question, it would probably be something like "what properties does a typical adult have that a typical 1-year-old lacks which makes it more OK to kill the latter than the former?" Is that the question you're asking?

More or less, yeah.