Pablo_Stafforini comments on Decision Theory FAQ - Less Wrong

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Comment author: pragmatist 11 March 2013 05:36:45PM *  5 points [-]

Elsewhere, we also refer to epistemic rationality, which is believing true things. In neither case do we say anything about what you should want.

This begs the question against moral realism. If it is in fact true that harming cows is bad, then epistemic rationality demands that we believe that harming cows is bad. Of course, saying that you should believe harming cows is morally wrong is different from saying that you shouldn't choose to harm cows, but the inference from one to the other is pretty plausible. It seems fairly uncontroversial that if one believes that action X is bad, and it is in fact true that action X is bad, then one should not perform action X (ceteris paribus).

I don't agree with davidpearce's framing (that rationality demands that one give equal weight to all perspectives), but I also don't agree with the claim that rationality does not tell us anything about what we should want. Perhaps instrumental rationality doesn't, but epistemic rationality does.

Comment author: Larks 12 March 2013 10:37:45AM 1 point [-]

Sure - but rationality doesn't itself imply moral conclusions. It only says that if there are moral facts then we should believe them, not that there are any (particular) moral facts, which is what David needs.

Comment author: Pablo_Stafforini 12 March 2013 08:19:10PM *  3 points [-]

Rationality may imply moral conclusions in the same sense that it implies some factual conclusions: we think that folks who believe in creationism are irrational, because we think the evidence for evolution is sufficiently strong and also think that evolution is incompatible with creationism. Analogously, if the evidence for some moral truth is sufficiently strong, we may similarly accuse of irrationality those who fail to form their beliefs accordingly. So it is misleading to say that "rationality doesn't itself imply moral conclusions".

Comment author: JonatasMueller 12 March 2013 09:22:35PM 2 points [-]