Qiaochu_Yuan comments on Rationality Quotes March 2013 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Qiaochu_Yuan 01 March 2013 08:40:02PM 10 points [-]

It is the hallmark of any deep truth that its negation is also a deep truth.

Comment author: shminux 01 March 2013 09:15:12PM *  6 points [-]

Try it on your deep meta-truth as a self-consistency test

Comment author: Qiaochu_Yuan 01 March 2013 09:24:17PM *  7 points [-]

Yes, that's what I was suggesting. I presumed simplicio was pointing out that proverbs are not a good source of rationality advice because they are contradictory and I was trying to use a similar style of quote to continue making that point, but I suppose there is also a less charitable reading.

Comment author: Armok_GoB 02 March 2013 10:14:15PM *  4 points [-]

Consider the following statements:

"It is the hallmark of any shallow truth that its negation is also a shallow truth."

"It is the hallmark of any deep lie that its negation is also a deep lie."

"It is the hallmark of any shallow lie that its negation is also a shallow lie."

"It is the hallmark of any deep truth that its negation is not a deep truth."

Comment author: wedrifid 03 March 2013 05:10:58AM *  -1 points [-]

It is the hallmark of any shallow truth that its negation is also a shallow truth.

It is the hallmark of any shallow lie that its negation is also a shallow lie.

I don't believe you. I can't see any plausible useful definition of 'shallow <lie/truth>' that makes these claims true.

Comment author: Armok_GoB 03 March 2013 11:10:21PM 0 points [-]

Dammit, forgot again that most people assume that if you say a statement without context you endorse it/think it's true, not just that it's something interesting to think about and consider for yourself.

Comment author: wedrifid 04 March 2013 03:47:05AM 0 points [-]

Dammit, forgot again that most people assume that if you say a statement without context you endorse it/think it's true, not just that it's something interesting to think about and consider for yourself.

True, I would have interpreted your words much differently if you included a quote. I suspect I very much agree with the point you were trying to make!