fubarobfusco comments on Rationality Quotes March 2013 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: fubarobfusco 01 March 2013 08:46:06PM *  10 points [-]

Yep. It's a matter of what features are salient to mention.

If someone said "I once had a civil argument with a German" it would sound like they were saying that it was unusual or notable for an argument with a German to be civil; or possibly that the person's Germanness was somehow relevant to the civility of the argument — maybe they cited Goethe or something?

(On the other hand, it might be that they were trying to imply that they were well-traveled or cosmopolitan; that they've talked to people of a lot of nationalities.)

If the identity mentioned is a stereotyped group, a lot of people would tend to mentally activate the stereotype.

Comment author: Desrtopa 02 March 2013 02:17:08AM 7 points [-]

I did not see a sexist subtext, where I think I would have seen a discriminatory subtext if he had used "I once had a civil argument with a German," because "woman" in this case explains his later pronoun use. If the person had been a man, I would have expected him to say "man", rather than "person", to better clarify his later use of "he."

In retrospect though, I can see why other people would interpret it as having a sexist subtext.

Comment author: jooyous 02 March 2013 02:50:27AM *  4 points [-]

I think this thread is also experiencing this effect.

Quick! Where did your brain put emphasis first?! Maybe we need a poll to see if the distribution is roughly uniform. (Or maybe it's not uniform as shown by existing research I don't know about.)

Also, I really like the German example.

Comment author: fubarobfusco 02 March 2013 04:07:06AM *  8 points [-]

I once had a civil argument with a German. Germans' arguments are usually uncivil, but this one time ....
I once had a civil argument with a German. Most of my arguments with Germans are flamewars and cussin'.
I once had a civil argument with a German. Germans are so civil, even their arguments are civil!
I once had a civil argument with a German. I'm so good at civil arguments (or so well-traveled) I've even had one with a German!

Comment author: faul_sname 11 March 2013 10:18:50PM 1 point [-]

I once had a civil argument with a German. I have such interesting and unusual experiences.

Comment author: Kindly 11 March 2013 10:25:03PM 4 points [-]

I once had a civil argument with a German. The rest of you have merely heard about civil arguments with Germans.

I once had a civil argument with a German. As opposed to a civil argument about a German.

I once had a civil argument with a German. I'm not trying to generalize the pattern to all Germans.

Comment author: Creutzer 02 March 2013 08:41:51AM 1 point [-]

Trouble is, the default stress pattern is identical to the last. And you don't usually interpret the first sentence of a text with a non-default stress pattern when the following text doesn't force you.

Comment author: [deleted] 02 March 2013 12:13:46PM 1 point [-]

I was primed by reading shminux's comment before seeing the quote itself, so I'll exclude myself from the sample.