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Comment author: wedrifid 18 December 2010 04:25:03AM *  1 point [-]

Theism is a warning flag only when it causes real-life expectations.

To use slightly different language I would suggest it is always a warning flag but only an actual problem when it causes real-life expectations or field related claims. I say always a warning flag because the kind of brain that can maintain religious belief despite scientific education and experience tends to have traits that I distrust.

Comment author: datadataeverywhere 18 December 2010 09:45:33AM 1 point [-]

the kind of brain that can maintain religious belief despite scientific education and experience tends to have traits that I distrust.

Buster, that's the kind of brain you have. We're not built well, and not built too differently either. Even if you don't believe in a big dude in the sky who will preserve your identity after your physical form is destroyed, you have a brain that is completely suited to believing that, and your non-belief is a sign of the particular experiences you have had.

The question is whether you believe that the set of experiences required to become a good scientist necessarily include those experiences that force one to adopt atheism. I think the number of important discoveries made by theists throughout history, and even in the modern day, indicates otherwise.

Comment author: wedrifid 18 December 2010 10:25:03AM *  0 points [-]

Buster, that's the kind of brain you have.

Do not refer to me as buster.

and your non-belief is a sign of the particular experiences you have had.

You may note that in the very sentence you quote I refer to experiences, a rather critical part of my claim.

While I am not inclined to go into detail on personality research right now there is, in fact, a relationship between the strength of a person's compartmentalisation ability and other important traits. Genetics plays a critical part in the formation of beliefs from stimulus and there is some information that can be inferred from the expression of said beliefs.

Comment author: datadataeverywhere 18 December 2010 10:35:58AM 0 points [-]

Do not refer to me as buster.

I apologize, but I am also confused. Is this an issue with gender, formality, or something else? I feel like I should be able to generalize you taking issue with that to other things, and also avoid all of those, but it would be helpful for you to explain.

I still feel that, in MoreOn's terms, P ( good science | scientist is theist ) is close enough to P ( good science ) that starting from the position of distrust is probably over-filtering. I don't think that resorting to explaining the personality traits that might explain that relation are important, unless we know an individual's traits well enough to use those to estimate the kind of science she will produce.

Comment author: wedrifid 18 December 2010 11:50:38AM 2 points [-]

There is a positive correlation between an individual thinking well in one area and thinking well in another area, a relationship which I do not consider terribly controversial. A (loosely) related post is the Correct Contrarian Cluster.

Comment author: XiXiDu 18 December 2010 12:17:39PM 0 points [-]

There is a positive correlation between an individual thinking well in one area and thinking well in another area...

Like being able to judge if some knowledge is dangerous and public relations?

Comment author: wedrifid 18 December 2010 12:44:17PM *  0 points [-]

Correlations. Not deductive certainties. A correlation that has perhaps been fully accounted for and then some in that case.

And do we really need to bring that up? Really, it's all been said already...