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Comment author: Lumifer 16 December 2013 10:29:32PM 0 points [-]

Absolutely.

Well then, you have an unusual viewpoint :-) Any evidence to support it?

Where did you get the impression that I am going just by my own experiences?

Because you didn't offer any data or other evidence. It looked just like a classic stereotype -- look at all these fat Americans who can't stop shoving pizzas into their pieholes!

Roughly what percentage of the people around you are overweight or obese?

10-15%, maybe?

Of those who are overweight or obese, do they seem to have the urge to eat any foods or types of foods to excess?

Nope, not to my knowledge. Of course some might be wolfing down bags of cookies in the middle of the night, but I don't know about it :-)

Ok, now do you agree that there exist certain foods...

I will still say no because I don't think food is addictive. But let me try to see where to do you want to get to.

Let's take full-sugar soda, e.g. Coca-Cola. There certainly has been lots of accusatory fingers pointed at it. The majority of Americans drinks it, so I guess (1) is kinda satisfied. Do people have difficulty controlling their consumption of it? Yep, so (2) fits as well. On the other hand, these people tend to have difficulty controlling a lot of things in their lives, for example credit cards, so I'm not sure there is anything food-specific going on here. Is it like an addiction? Nope, I don't think so. "Knowing professional advice" is way too low an incentive for people to change their ways.

Comment author: hyporational 17 December 2013 03:22:13AM 3 points [-]

Because you didn't offer any data or other evidence.

You're not doing it either, y'know.

I think you have now (re?)defined at least two words, super-stimulus and addictive, to fit your purposes. Tobacco doesn't fit your definition of addictive either.

Comment author: Lumifer 17 December 2013 03:27:13AM -1 points [-]

You're not doing it either, y'know.

I'm neither proposing nor defending a hypothesis.

I did define "super-stimulus", but I don't think I tried to define "addictive" (and that's a slippery word, often defined to suit a particular stance).

Comment author: hyporational 17 December 2013 03:37:27AM 1 point [-]

Have you read this relevant article? It's confusing when you say you're disagreeing with a definition, when you actually mean you're disagreeing with the connotation.

Comment author: Lumifer 17 December 2013 04:21:46AM 0 points [-]

It's confusing when you say you're disagreeing with a definition, when you actually mean you're disagreeing with the connotation.

I am not sure what are you referring to...?

Comment author: hyporational 17 December 2013 04:43:54AM 1 point [-]

Addiction is "a slippery word, often defined to suit a particular stance".

Super-stimulus is "mostly used to demonize certain "bad" things (notably, sugar and salt) with the implication that people can't just help themselves and so need the government (or another nanny) to step in and impose rules.".

Sure, you finally explicitly said these things but you could have said you disagreed with the connotations in the first place, which would have made the discussion about definitions pointless and perhaps dissolved some disagreement.