saturn comments on The more privileged lover - Less Wrong

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Comment author: TimS 04 March 2013 05:11:14PM *  18 points [-]

What is it about being religious that gives one the more privileged position in love?

Look, sex needs a yes from every partner (at least two total "yes" responses). You're describing a "yes" and a "no." Thus, no sex. In terms of the sex act, it literally doesn't matter why one partner says no.

EDIT: Asking why we privilege "no" over "yes" is . . . let's just say problematic.

In terms of the relationship, I agree with the other commentators that the relationship you've described doesn't seem like it is going anywhere, and thus, has no reason to continue.

Comment author: saturn 04 March 2013 10:03:25PM 2 points [-]

Asking why we privilege "no" over "yes" is . . . let's just say problematic.

I can see that someone who has made it beyond childhood without learning this (perhaps by willfully ignoring the answer) has a problem. But does asking, in itself, create an additional problem?

Comment author: TimS 04 March 2013 10:22:22PM *  3 points [-]

Asking is not separately problematic from not internalizing the correct answer.

But there is a social context, and we can't pretend we are writing on a blank slate. In the social context that exists, asking the question substantially raises an observer's probability that the questioner has not completely internalized the correct answer. Essentially, asking the question is somewhat like privileging the hypothesis.

EDIT: Of course, there is mostly a problem because this particular topic (consent for sex) is so filled with conflict. With a topic that is less contentious, there is less reason to think that asking the question implies anything about what the questioner thinks

See also this comment, describing the issue in terms of implicit assertions.