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71 Post author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 18 February 2007 09:23PM

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Comment author: mtraven 20 February 2007 04:35:40PM 18 points [-]

While trying to avoid bitter partisan sniping is probably a good thing, I think the goal of avoiding politics is naive. Everyone is enmeshed in politics, like it or not. To deny politics is a form of political ideology itself. There seems to be a strong libertarian bias to this crowd, for instance. Libertarians seek to replace politics with markets, but that is in itself a political goal.

Another sad truth: even if we disavow responsibility for the actions of our political leaders, others will hold us responsible for them, given that we are a democracy and all. See here for some thoughts on how we are forced into group identification whether we like it or not.

Politics is not optional and if you are interested in overcoming bias I suggest that it's better to acknowledge that fact than bury it.

Comment author: duckduckMOO 23 January 2012 11:40:56AM -2 points [-]

"To deny politics is a form of political ideology itself." yeah and not thinking about clothing is a fashion choice, not making a decision is a decision bla bla bla.

cool meme.

Comment author: Alex_O 09 May 2015 12:41:02PM 2 points [-]

Denying politics is also a mode of oppression. I had a teacher calling women in my class "females" which is very insulting in French as it only ever applies to animals, not peoples. When one of them complained, he dismissed her by saying it was not the place for her feminist militantism.

Another note on Martin Luther King : he said several times that the greatest enemies of black liberation were not the KKK but those (mosty middle class, benefiting indirectly from racism) who saw the problem but advocated innaction because revendication wasn't polite or there was better problems to adress.

Comment author: Journeyman 10 May 2015 01:56:17AM *  0 points [-]

Note to all rationalists:

Politics has already slashed your tires.

Politics has already pwned your brain.

Politics has already smashed the Overton Window.

Politics has already kicked over your Schelling fence.

Politics has already planted weeds in your garden.

What are you going to do about it?

Comment author: mtraven 19 May 2015 04:27:43AM 1 point [-]

Probably make some snarky remark about how people who think they are free of politics are in reality in the grip of one of the more deadly forms of it.

Comment author: Journeyman 07 June 2015 04:00:36AM *  0 points [-]

Btw, "you" was "general you", not you personally, and mine was trying to piggyback. Post edited to clarify.

Comment author: mtraven 09 July 2015 10:44:17PM 1 point [-]

No offense taken.

BTW I have written quite a bit since 2007(!) on the relationship of rationalism and politics, see here for a starting pont.