gwern comments on Just Lose Hope Already - Less Wrong

47 Post author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 25 February 2007 12:39AM

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Comment author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 25 February 2007 06:05:50PM 15 points [-]

"Probability of success if you continue: small. Probability of success if you give up: zero."

Doug, that's exactly what people say to me when I challenge them on why they buy lottery tickets. "The chance of winning is tiny, but if I don't buy a ticket, the chance is zero."

I can't think of one single case in my experience when the argument "It has a small probability of success, but we should pursue it, because the probability if we don't try is zero" turned out to be a good idea. Typically it is an excuse not to confront the flaws of a plan that is just plain unripe. You know what happens when you try a strategy with a tiny probability of success? It fails, that's what happens.

The Simpsons gave us the best advice: "Can't win, don't try."

Comment author: David_Gerard 11 January 2011 02:35:32PM 22 points [-]

I can't think of one single case in my experience when the argument "It has a small probability of success, but we should pursue it, because the probability ifwe don't try is zero" turned out to be a good idea.

Er ... isn't that the argument for cryonics?

Comment author: gwern 11 January 2011 05:06:21PM 3 points [-]

And scientific research!

Comment author: Vaniver 11 January 2011 05:34:22PM 3 points [-]

If you define success as "increased knowledge" instead of "new useful applications," then the probability of success for doing scientific research is high (i.e. >75%).

Comment author: Will_Sawin 12 January 2011 04:44:20AM 2 points [-]

For individual experiments, it is often low, depending on the field.

Comment author: wedrifid 12 January 2011 12:20:54PM *  2 points [-]

You increase your knowledge every time you do an experiment. Just as you do every time you ask a question in Guess Who? At the very worst you discover that you asked a stupid question or that your opponent gives unreliable answers.

Comment author: Will_Sawin 13 January 2011 12:58:39AM 1 point [-]

The relevant probability is p(benefits>costs) not p(benifits>0).

Comment author: wedrifid 13 January 2011 06:46:52AM 3 points [-]

Reading through the context confirms that the relevant probability is p(increased knowledge). I have no specified position on whether the knowledge gained is sufficient to justify the expenditure of effort.

Comment author: Will_Sawin 13 January 2011 01:16:38PM 2 points [-]

Indeed. I forgot. Oops.

Comment author: pnrjulius 30 June 2012 03:51:02AM -1 points [-]

Often it clearly isn't; so don't do that sort of research.

Don't spend $200 million trying to determine if there are a prime number of green rocks in Texas.