jaibot comments on AI prediction case study 2: Dreyfus's Artificial Alchemy - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Stuart_Armstrong 12 March 2013 12:43:49PM 6 points [-]

Again, the fact that he got the reasons right (the hype cycle, the fact human chess players were performing very differently from what the AI designers were doing, etc...) lifts him up a bit. I don't know what he's been up to since then, though.

Can we find a good baseline predictor today who's performing as well?

Comment author: IlyaShpitser 12 March 2013 01:23:46PM 0 points [-]

Absolutely: "the singularity will never happen, MIRI is wasting its time."

Comment author: jaibot 12 March 2013 03:36:25PM *  0 points [-]

"Never" is not a testable prediction. Break down predictions into finite-time-horizon groups and judge each against the baseline of "nothing happens in the next n years".

Much later edit: IlyaShpitser has correctly pointed out that my comment makes no sense.

Comment author: IlyaShpitser 12 March 2013 03:52:03PM *  12 points [-]

Of course "never" is testable. The way to falsify is to exhibit a counterexample. "Human beings will never design a heavier than air flying machine" (Lord Kelvin, 1895), "a computer will never beat the human world champion in chess," etc. All falsified, therefore, all testable. If anything, an infinite horizon statement like "never" is more vulnerable to falsification, and therefore should get more "scientific respect."

Comment author: Pavitra 13 March 2013 10:06:20AM 2 points [-]

It's only testable in one direction -- if you like, "never" is testable but "ever" isn't. I don't have a formal argument to hand, but it seems vaguely to me that a hypothesis preferably-ought to be falsifiable both ways.