DaFranker comments on Policy Debates Should Not Appear One-Sided - Less Wrong

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Comment author: [deleted] 18 January 2013 06:14:56PM 1 point [-]

judging the moral worth of others actions is something a moral theory should enable one to do.

What for? It doesn't help me achieve good things to know whether you are morally good, except to the extent that "you are morally good" makes useful predictions about your behaviour that I can use to achieve more good. And that's a question for epistemology, not morality.

So two consequentialists would decide that each of them has moral responsibility and the other doesn't? Does that make sense?

They would see it as a two-place concept instead of a one-place concept. Call them A and B. For A, A is morally responsible for everything that goes on in the world. Likewise for B. For A, the question "what is B morally responsible for" does not answer the question "what should A do", which is the only question A is interested in.

A would agree that for B, B is morally responsible for everything, but would comment that that's not very interesting (to A) as a moral question.

So another way of looking at it is that for this sort of consequentialist, morality is purely personal.

Comment author: DaFranker 18 January 2013 06:23:55PM *  1 point [-]

By extension, however, in case this corollary was lost in inferential distance:

For A, "What should A do?" may include making moral evaluations of B's possible actions within A's model of the world and attempting to influence them, such that A-actions that affect the actions of B can become very important.

Thus, by instrumental utility, A often should make a model of B in order to influence B's actions on the world as much as possible, since this influence is one possible action A can take that influences A's own moral responsibility towards the world.

Comment author: [deleted] 18 January 2013 06:29:29PM 1 point [-]

Indeed. I would consider it a given that you should model the objects in your world if you want to predict and influence the world.