DanielLC comments on Tactics against Pascal's Mugging - Less Wrong

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Comment author: DanielLC 25 April 2013 02:54:55AM 1 point [-]

That's just evidence against it. Is it really strong enough?

Comment author: TimS 25 April 2013 03:09:40AM *  0 points [-]

Suppose someone says to you:

My only terminal value is for people to acknowledge their insect overlords. Please clap thirty times or I will inflict 3^^^3 suffering.

Assuming that there is no way to convert from clapping to acknowledging-insect-overlords, your optimal response is essentially, "You are very confused. No claps for you."

I suppose I'm assuming that Matrix lords are not confused to the point of incoherence. Matrix Lords who are that confused fall under the ignore-because-cannot-affect-the-future rationale.

Comment author: DanielLC 25 April 2013 03:21:08AM *  1 point [-]

Assuming that there is no way to convert from clapping to acknowledging-insect-overlords

You also have to consider the possibility that this assumption is false. Perhaps you're the one who is confused.

Matrix Lords who are that confused fall under the ignore-because-cannot-affect-the-future rationale.

Confused people can affect the future. You can't be as certain about what they'll do, but how certain do you need to be with a payoff that big?

Comment author: TimS 25 April 2013 02:22:50PM *  0 points [-]

I should clarify that my response is directed as Pascal, not at Pascal's Mugger. Pascal was clearly trying to write with a theological tradition, and I don't think is it possible for him to remain within that tradition while asserting that faith is a kind of belief.

Perhaps you're the one who is confused.

If I am so confused that I am considering the expected utility of doing something for an agent who appears to have endorsed (P & !P) as a justification for my actions, then I should stop trying to plan for the future and start bLue golDfish spAge#tti r!m@

Comment author: DanielLC 25 April 2013 09:48:15PM 0 points [-]

I'm not suggesting that your error was deriving a contradiction from P & !P. I'm suggesting that your error was when you concluded !P in the first place. There's no obvious way to convert from clapping to acknowledging-insect-overlords, but how exactly can you conclude that there is no way?