kpreid comments on Solved Problems Repository - Less Wrong

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Comment author: kpreid 28 March 2013 03:21:16AM 11 points [-]

It's a nice joke, but I don't think it's actually good advice. There is a lot of background knowledge about how most computer software works that goes into actually executing the steps of this or similar procedures, e.g.

  • knowledge defining the “looks related” relation
  • knowledge about which things are likely to be destructive enough to exclude from “pick one at random”
  • knowledge about what “it worked” consists of when the shortest path to the goal is more than one step
Comment author: buybuydandavis 28 March 2013 04:54:05AM 10 points [-]

But you acquire that background knowledge faster when you follow the procedure.

My mother is retired, and sits paralyzed in front of the computer not knowing what button to press. I try to explain that you're unlikely to break anything, so just start looking around.

Comment author: OrphanWilde 28 March 2013 05:29:49PM 9 points [-]

I learned most of what I learned -by- breaking things.

For example, I learned how page files worked because American Online and Dungeon Keeper both tried to seize them for themselves, and if Dungeon Keeper was run, AOL wouldn't run subsequently without a reboot. Research on the issue turned up that disabling page filing would fix it, which led me to research page filing to see what disabling it would do.

Comment author: Kaj_Sotala 28 March 2013 07:52:58AM 13 points [-]

I initially tried giving my mother the "you're unlikely to break anything" advice as well, then reconsidered after she'd followed that advice and gotten malware on the computer.

Comment author: Risto_Saarelma 28 March 2013 09:09:31AM 6 points [-]

"Boot into this live-CD and you're unlikely to break anything a reboot won't fix." (At least as long as you don't use webmail or similar persistent online accounts that can get hacked by malware you downloaded into RAM during the same session.)

Comment author: kpreid 28 March 2013 02:54:24PM 4 points [-]

I claim that you have a lot of background knowledge which gives your experimental actions a probability distribution much more like “unlikely to break anything” than hers.

Comment author: buybuydandavis 29 March 2013 12:21:57AM 0 points [-]

Not really, and particularly not with the new managed computing environments (Android/Ipad) that don't give you root. You can install programs they pre screen, and run them. And she's not likely to install anything I hadn't suggested. Just not a lot to break.

When in doubt, (<-back), (Home), or reboot, in that order.

Is there any kind of widespread problems with a google Nexus getting pwned?

Comment author: [deleted] 25 March 2015 09:31:24AM *  1 point [-]

Can relate, the weirdest habit of non-computer-literate people is 1) not reading what is on the screen 2) not trying to interpret even really simple instructions on the screen. Is there any sort of a cognitive explanation why do we have to have conversations like this?

"The computer froze."

"Do you see a pop-up window with a message?"

"Yes."

"Is there anything written into it?"

"Yes."

"What?"

(squint, lean closer) "Posting Date must not be empty in..."

"What do you think it means?"

"Ugh, fill out the Posting Date?"

"Exactly."