Elithrion comments on [SEQ RERUN] You're Calling *Who* A Cult Leader? - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Elithrion 31 March 2013 05:20:14PM 3 points [-]

Is using "whom" uncool or something? Maybe I'm just elitist (in a bad way) for liking it.

Comment author: Qiaochu_Yuan 01 April 2013 12:06:02AM 2 points [-]

Whom use, even correct use but especially incorrect use, can signal an excessive concern with pedantry.

Comment author: jklsemicolon 01 April 2013 12:31:09AM 7 points [-]

Whom use...can signal an excessive concern with pedantry

Speaking of pedantry, I have no doubt that you meant:

"Whom" use

Comment author: Elithrion 01 April 2013 12:42:48AM 2 points [-]

Alternatively, if it's done by someone whom you already know decently well, and who you know isn't really a crazy obsessive pedant, it can instead signal a liking of international or British English over American.

Comment author: Tyrrell_McAllister 01 April 2013 08:57:57PM 0 points [-]

It's possible to avoid the "whom" and be grammatical: "*Who* is Being Called a Cult Leader By You?".

Comment author: Kindly 01 April 2013 09:32:38PM 4 points [-]

"If there's something strange in your neighborhood, who is gonna be called by you? Ghostbusters!"

Comment author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 31 March 2013 11:08:39PM 1 point [-]

I use "who" for the subject form or when "whom" sounds awful.

Comment author: Elithrion 01 April 2013 12:36:45AM 1 point [-]

That sounds like good policy, although there may be significant variation in what sounds awful to different people (specifically, "whom" is generally more popular outside the US). "Who" is probably the safer choice when in doubt, admittedly.

Comment author: NancyLebovitz 31 March 2013 09:48:06PM 0 points [-]

I'm pretty sure it should be "who", since the title is an inversion of "Who are you calling a cult leader?".

Comment author: shminux 01 April 2013 06:33:25PM *  2 points [-]

"call" here is a transitive verb, so the following object is in the accusative case, and "whom" is a the appropriate declension of "who". Of course, there are almost no traces of declensions in modern English, hence the confusion.

Comment author: Elithrion 31 March 2013 10:35:32PM *  1 point [-]

Nope, in fact that one should also be "Whom are you calling a cult leader?" Who is the subject form, i.e. it's supposed to be used when it's the "who" person that is doing the actions. In this case, though, the subject is "you", who is doing the action ("calling" someone something), and the object is the someone being called something ("whom").

Comment author: Zaine 31 March 2013 11:10:42PM *  1 point [-]

For sake of colloquial informality some purposefully adopt incorrect grammar. Regardless of whether that was the intent, such is the effect; a better question:

"Does informality conveyed through use of colloquialisms benefit the author's purposes more than correct use of grammar?"

The above line of enquiry presumes correct grammar is desirable - a separate but sound debate prerequisite answering the former question.