Vaniver comments on Rationality Quotes April 2013 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Vaniver 01 April 2013 03:16:14PM 18 points [-]

The mere formulation of a problem is far more essential than its solution, which may be merely a matter of mathematical or experimental skills.

-- Albert Einstein

Comment author: Thomas 01 April 2013 03:24:51PM 8 points [-]

At least sometimes the formulation is far easier than the solution.

Comment author: bentarm 02 April 2013 05:30:39PM 7 points [-]

This is definitely true. General class of examples: almost any combinatorial problem ever. Concrete example: the Four Colour Theorem

Comment author: MikeDobbs 06 April 2013 10:46:18PM 0 points [-]

General class of examples: almost any combinatorial problem ever

Yes! Combinatorics problems are a perfect example of this. Trying to work out the probability of being dealt a particular hand in poker can be very difficult (for certain hands) until you correctly formulate the question- at which point the calculations are trivial : )

Comment author: Oscar_Cunningham 07 April 2013 10:25:24PM 4 points [-]

I think bentarm was offering "Combinatorics problems" as an example of the opposite of the phenomenon you describe. In particular the Four Colour Theorem is easy to formulate but hard to solve, and (as far as I know) the solution doesn't involve a reformulation.

Comment author: MikeDobbs 24 April 2013 09:55:00PM 0 points [-]

Yes, upon re-reading I see that you are correct. I think there may be overlap between activities I consider part of the formulation and activities others may consider part of the solution.

To expand on my poker suggestion. When attempting to determine the probability of a hand in poker it is necessary to determine a way to represent that hand using combinations/permutations. I have found that for certain hands this can be rather difficult as you often miss, exclude, or double count some amount of possible hands. This process of representing the hand using mathematics is, in my mind, part of the formulation of the problem; or more accurately, part of the precise formulation of the problem. In this respect, the solution is reduced to trivial calculations once the problem is properly formulated. However, I can certainly see how one might consider this to be part of the solution rather than the formulation.

Thanks for pointing that out

Comment author: MikeDobbs 01 April 2013 11:49:11PM 4 points [-]

In my experience it can often turn out that the formulation is more difficult than the solution (particularly for an interesting/novel problem). Many times I have found that it takes a good deal of effort to accurately define the problem and clearly identify the parameters, but once that has been accomplished the solution turns out to be comparatively simple.

Comment author: PhilGoetz 05 April 2013 11:45:20PM *  3 points [-]

Hmm. Einstein is perhaps most famous for "discovering" special relativity. But he neither formulated the problem, nor found the solution (I think the Lorentz transformation was already known to be the solution), but reinterpreted the solution as being real.

His "greatest error" was introducing the cosmological constant into general relativity--curiously, making a similar error to what everyone else had made when confronted with the constancy of the speed of light, which was refusing to accept that the mathematical result described reality.

Comment author: FiftyTwo 08 April 2013 02:25:30AM 2 points [-]

Do you have an original source for that? All I can find is various quotation sites, which contain so amny other things that Einstein allegedly said I feel sceptical.

Comment author: Vaniver 08 April 2013 10:38:38AM 3 points [-]

Do you have an original source for that?

Nope, and I don't recall where I saw it attributed to him originally. (I did check by Googling it, but you're right that that only confirms that it's often attributed to him.)

Comment author: PhilGoetz 05 April 2013 11:48:05PM *  1 point [-]

In writing a story, it's easy to identify problems with the story which you must struggle with for weeks to resolve. But often, you suddenly realize what the entire story is really about, and this makes everything suddenly easy. If by the formulation of the problem we mean that overall understanding, rather than specific obstacles, then yes. For stories.