Stephanie_Cunnane comments on Rationality Quotes April 2013 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Stephanie_Cunnane 03 April 2013 12:24:48AM 8 points [-]

If a statement is false, that's the worst thing you can say about it. You don't need to say it's heretical. And if it isn't false, it shouldn't be suppressed.

-Paul Graham

Comment author: Qiaochu_Yuan 03 April 2013 02:38:05AM 11 points [-]

I like the sentiment, but Paul Graham seems to be claiming that information hazards don't exist, and that doesn't appear to be true.

Comment author: Larks 03 April 2013 03:07:25AM 5 points [-]

Despite agreeing with the rest of the essay (which is very good), this is not true. Tiresomely standard counter-example: "Heil Hitler! No, there are no Jews in my attic."

Comment author: Osuniev 03 April 2013 08:03:02AM 10 points [-]

I would say this is not ALWAYS true. But for the purpose of civilized discussion between human beings, it does seem like a very useful rule of thumb.

Comment author: gothgirl420666 06 April 2013 01:10:59AM 3 points [-]

Substitute "statement" with "belief".

Comment author: Larks 06 April 2013 06:42:19PM *  3 points [-]

Sorry, I don't understand. I believe there are Jews in my attic, but this belief should be suppressed, rather than spread.

Comment author: TimS 06 April 2013 06:47:52PM 1 point [-]

This seems like fallacy of the excluded middle. Suppressed and spread are not the only two options.

Comment author: Larks 06 April 2013 09:11:56PM 4 points [-]

If the nazi starts to believe it, you should suppress such a belief (probably by acting inocculuously, but if suppressing it violently would work better you should do that instead.)

Comment author: gothgirl420666 08 April 2013 06:21:48PM 1 point [-]

Fair enough.

Comment author: dspeyer 21 April 2013 01:55:55AM 0 points [-]

That statement is bad for the nazis, who are now unable to achieve their desires. The statement is about instrumental badness, not universal moral badness. They're really quite different.

Comment author: wedrifid 03 April 2013 02:20:26AM 1 point [-]

If a statement is false, that's the worst thing you can say about it. You don't need to say it's heretical. And if it isn't false, it shouldn't be suppressed.

I like the sentiment. I disagree that it is (always) the worst you can say about it. And there are also true things that are actively constructed to be misleading---I certainly go about suppressing those where possible and plan to continue.

Comment author: skepsci 19 April 2013 07:25:05PM 2 points [-]

Wouldn't explaining why the statement is misleading be more productive than suppressing the misleading statement?