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Comment author: RogerS 11 April 2013 10:44:31AM *  3 points [-]

Yes indeed, it is a challenge to understand how the same human moral functionality "F" can result in a very different value system "M" to ones own, though I suspect a lot of historical reading would be necessary to fully understand the Nazi's construction of the social world - "S", in my shorthand. A contemporary example of the same challenge is the cultures that practice female genital mutilation. You don't have to agree with a construction of the world to begin to see how it results in the avowed values that emerge from it, but you do have to be able to picture it properly. In both cases, this challenge has to be distinguished from the somewhat easier task of explaining the origins of the value system concerned.

Comment author: MugaSofer 12 April 2013 10:53:43PM 0 points [-]

Oh, I didn't mean it was particularly challenging - at least, as long as you avoid the antipattern of modelling them as Evil Monsters - just that it was a good exercise for this sort of thing. Indeed, I think most people can model the antisemitism (if not the philosophy and rhetorical/emotional power) by imagining society is being subverted by insidious alien Pod People.

You don't have to agree with a construction of the world to begin to see how it results in the avowed values that emerge from it, but you do have to be able to picture it properly.

Another excellent point.

A contemporary example of the same challenge is the cultures that practice female genital mutilation.

I don't know much about FGM or the cultures that practice it, but it might easily be analogous to so-called "male genital mutilation" or circumcision.