V_V comments on New applied rationality workshops (April, May, and July) - Less Wrong

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Comment author: V_V 17 April 2013 12:11:27PM 0 points [-]

The point is not whether you like the workshop, it's whether it teaches you something worth its price.

Comment author: [deleted] 17 April 2013 07:17:05PM 2 points [-]

I'd think that, among the people who would consider attending such a workshop in the first place at least, the two are highly correlated. (Also, I meant “didn't like” in a general sense, such as ‘regret’.)

Comment author: V_V 17 April 2013 08:09:28PM -1 points [-]

Why?

Comment author: [deleted] 18 April 2013 04:53:43PM *  1 point [-]

Well.. I'd guess people go there to learn stuff, so they like it if they do learn stuff.

OTOH, they might at first be wrong about how useful the stuff they learn will turn out to be. For how long after the workshop will they accept requests for refunds?

Comment author: AnnaSalamon 18 April 2013 05:39:34PM 7 points [-]

One year.

Comment author: V_V 18 April 2013 08:28:37PM *  -1 points [-]

OTOH, they might at first be wrong about how useful the stuff they learn will turn out to be.

Indeed.

They might be also permently wrong about how useful the stuff they learn will turn out to be:
For instance they might attribute failed outcomes to failure to apply what they learned rather than to an inherent flaw of what they learned.

Or they may ignore/downplay failures and exaggerate successes: that's good old confirmation bias and sunk cost fallacy (there are some costs, such as time spent and travel expenses, which wouldn't be covered by a refund).

Admitting that they invested time and money on something that wasn't worth its price, and that they didn't find out immediately, would hurt their self-image. IIRC, even the victims of outright illegal scams often don't report them to the authorities, even after they realize that they have been scammed. CFAR workshops most likely aren't illegal scams, thus I expect that the resistence to seeking reparations would be even greater.

There might be further reasons not to ask for a refund: for instance people might want to attend to these workshops to associate themselves with high-status members of the so-called "rationalist" community. They might fear that asking for a refund might be seen as defection.

Comment author: Viliam_Bur 22 April 2013 01:12:54PM -2 points [-]

CFAR workshops most likely aren't illegal scams

And you, sir, most likely are a troll.