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Comment author: klkblake 12 May 2013 01:54:53PM 4 points [-]

This is fascinating. I'm rather surprised that people seem to be able to actually see their tulpa after a while. I do worry about the ethical implications though -- with what we see with split brain patients, it seems plausible that a tulpa may actually be a separate person. Indeed, if this is true, and the tulpa's memories aren't being confabulated on the spot, it would suggest that the host would lose the use of the part of their brain that is running the tulpa, decreasing their intelligence. Which is a pity, because I really want to try this, but I don't want to risk permanently decreasing my intelligence.

Comment author: drnickbone 16 May 2013 01:47:50PM *  5 points [-]

I do worry about the ethical implications though -- with what we see with split brain patients, it seems plausible that a tulpa may actually be a separate person.

So, "Votes for tulpas" then! How many of them can you create inside one head?

The next stage would be "Vote for tulpas!".

Getting a tulpa elected as president using the votes of other tulpas would be a real munchkin coup...

Comment author: mare-of-night 12 May 2013 03:06:09PM 3 points [-]

I've been wondering if the headaches people report while forming a tulpa are caused by spending more mental energy than normal.

Comment author: Kawoomba 12 May 2013 02:09:43PM -1 points [-]

It's a waste of time at best, and inducing psychosis at worst. (Waste of time because the "tulpa" - your hallucination - has access to the same data repository you use, and doesn't run on a different frontal cortex. You can teach yourself the right habits without also teaching yourself to become mentally ill.)

You know what it's called when you hear voices giving you "advice"? Paranoid schizophrenia. Outright visual hallucinations?

What's next, using magic mushrooms to speed the process? Yes, you can probably teach yourself to become actually insane, but why would you?

Comment author: mare-of-night 12 May 2013 06:51:07PM *  8 points [-]

You know what it's called when you hear voices giving you "advice"? Paranoid schizophrenia. Outright visual hallucinations?

Sounds like the noncentral fallacy. That you are somewhat in control, and that the tulpa will leave you alone (at least temporarily) if asked, seem like relevant differences from the more central cases of mental illness.

Comment author: Qiaochu_Yuan 12 May 2013 06:54:17PM 2 points [-]

Waste of time because the "tulpa" - your hallucination - has access to the same data repository you use, and doesn't run on a different frontal cortex.

This also sounds like an argument against IFS. I don't think it holds water. Accessing the same data as you do but using a different algorithm to process it seems valuable. (This is under the assumption that tulpas work at all.)

Comment author: Kawoomba 12 May 2013 07:06:46PM -2 points [-]

The benefits from analytically shifting your point of view, or from using different approaches in different situations certainly don't necessitate actually hallucinating people talking to you. (Hint: Only the latter finds its way to being a symptom for various psych disorders.)

"You need to hallucinate voices / people to get the benefit of viewing a situation from different angles" is not an accurate inference from my argument, nor a fair description of IFS, which as far as I know doesn't include sensory hallucinations.

Comment author: MugaSofer 13 May 2013 11:30:23AM -2 points [-]

(Waste of time because the "tulpa" - your hallucination - has access to the same data repository you use, and doesn't run on a different frontal cortex. You can teach yourself the right habits without also teaching yourself to become mentally ill.)

Source?

I mean, there are, as you say, obvious "right habits" analogs of this that get results - which would seem to invalidate the first quoted sentence - but I don't see why pushing it "further" couldn't possibly generate better results.

Comment author: MugaSofer 13 May 2013 11:37:12AM 0 points [-]

You should get one of the occult enthusiasts to check if Tulpas leave ghosts ;)

More seriously, I suspect the brain is already capable of this sort of thing - dreams, for example - even if it's usually running in the background being your model of the world or somesuch.