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Comment author: Wei_Dai 13 May 2013 08:39:59AM 22 points [-]

This is for people interested in optimizing for academic fame (for a given level of talent and effort and other costs). Instead of trying to get a PhD and a job in academia (which is very costly and due to "publish or perish" forces you to work on topics that are currently popular in academia), get a job that leaves you with a lot of free time, or find a way to retire early. Use your free time to search for important problems that are being neglected by academia. When you find one, pick off some of the low-hanging fruit in that area and publish your results somewhere. Then, (A) if you're impatient for recognition, use your results to make an undeniable impact on the world (see Bitcoin for example), or (B) if you're patient, move on to another neglected topic and repeat, knowing that in a few years or decades, the neglected topic you found will likely become a hot topic and you'll be credited for being the first to investigate it.

Comment author: TeMPOraL 13 May 2013 11:34:32AM 7 points [-]

FWIK, some universities allow you to get PhD in computer science by submitting PhD thesis for review and paying some amount of money (~$1200 on my university). This way, one can follow your advice and still get PhD.

Comment author: Barry_Cotter 13 May 2013 02:09:41PM 28 points [-]

Tell us more. Much more, in excruciating detail. I am reasonably sure I remember reading Eliezer write about the impossiblity of what you just described, i.e. getting a Ph.D. without necessarily having an advisor, funding or a Bachelor's degree.

Comment author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 13 May 2013 10:50:05PM 10 points [-]

Seconded.

Comment author: dvasya 13 May 2013 05:49:34PM 5 points [-]

A PhD is only as good as the reputation of your advisor. If everybody knows your advisor then you won't have a problem finding a job in academia. If your PhD is not backed by a prominent professor with a name, you're going to have a very difficult time finding a good position. It may be a bit easier in CS, where universities have to compete with industry, compared to my field (physics/chemistry/materials science), but generally this is how academia works.

An easily obtainable PhD is generally not the right kind of signal.

Comment author: EHeller 13 May 2013 06:10:21PM *  12 points [-]

A PhD is only as good as the reputation of your advisor. If everybody knows your advisor then you won't have a problem finding a job in academia.

I would amend this to be "if everybody knows your advisor you'll have FEWER problems finding a job in academia." Some fields are very, very crowded (theoretical physics, for instance). For a very brief time, I was in a small team at a consulting company where 3 out of the 4 of us had done a science phd under a Nobel winner, and still ended up making major career transitions after half a decade of postdocs. Science is crowded, the more basic the research the more crowded the field. To first order, no one gets a job. If you are under a famous advisor you might move your odds up to 1/10 or 1/5 or something like that.

Comment author: MichaelVassar 16 May 2013 11:00:37PM 2 points [-]

email me with info about that company, OK?
Sounds like maybe MetaMed should inquire into working with them.

Comment author: tondwalkar 26 May 2013 05:36:59AM 1 point [-]

Extraordinary claims....