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Comment author: B_For_Bandana 17 May 2013 10:30:54PM 21 points [-]

That was what impressed you? Not my creation of a real-life financial perpetual motion machine?

Comment author: Bugmaster 17 May 2013 10:57:23PM 7 points [-]

As far as I understand (and I could be wrong), your machine does not actually generate money, but merely defers payment until some future date. It does so by essentially exploiting a bug in the Kindle + Credit Card system, and it has an upper limit of whatever your max credit line is. My guess is that if this trick becomes popular, someone will patch the bug (probably Amazon, credit card companies are pretty slow).

So, don't get me wrong, it's a nice hack, but it's hardly perpetual or earth-shattering. One similar trick I know of is to have several credit cards, and use them to keep transferring the balance between them before interest accumulates; but this is less efficient, since the "free balance transfer" special offers occur relatively rarely.

Comment author: B_For_Bandana 17 May 2013 11:02:47PM 10 points [-]

Okay, "perpetual motion machine" might have been hyperbolic -- the comparison I had in mind was to what we might call a "weak" perpetual motion machine, which doesn't generate energy but is exactly frictionless, so it twirls forever without energy input.

So, don't get me wrong, it's a nice hack, but it's hardly perpetual or earth-shattering. One similar trick I know of is to have several credit cards, and use them to keep transferring the balance between them before interest accumulates; but this is less efficient, since the "free balance transfer" special offers occur relatively rarely.

Interesting! Didn't know about that variant.

Comment author: caleborp 07 August 2013 04:23:48AM 0 points [-]

Do it for long enough and inflation will eventually reduce the debt to a negligible amount. In twenty years, at three percent rate of inflation, your debt will only be worth 54% of what it initially was!

Comment author: Roxolan 22 May 2013 11:04:33PM 3 points [-]

The hack generates money if you invest the "loan" into something that pays interests in less than a month. Not enough money to be worth your time, of course; but it's still infinite free money for a given value of "infinite".

Comment author: wedrifid 23 May 2013 04:06:19AM 3 points [-]

The hack generates money if you invest the "loan" into something that pays interests in less than a month.

The hack generates money if you invest the loan into anything that pays interest. It requires fiddling to be done monthly but the investment can be anything and can be ongoing.

Comment author: wedrifid 18 May 2013 08:38:13AM *  3 points [-]

As far as I understand (and I could be wrong), your machine does not actually generate money, but merely defers payment until some future date. It does so by essentially exploiting a bug in the Kindle + Credit Card system, and it has an upper limit of whatever your max credit line is.

We could perhaps consider it a time value generator limited by max credit. This could be reasonably analogized to a perpetual motion machine with an ongoing finite output.

Comment author: [deleted] 18 May 2013 08:03:12AM 1 point [-]

someone will patch the bug (probably Amazon

What does Amazon have to gain from patching it?

Comment author: Bugmaster 18 May 2013 09:19:10AM *  11 points [-]

I'm assuming that the constant churn of purchases and returns costs them money. For example:

  • Some credit cards charge vendors (not consumers) a non-refundable per-transaction fee
  • The returned books may mess up their analytics (including royalty calculations)
  • Returning a book is usually a rare event, and may thus be computationally expensive