Viliam_Bur comments on Normativity and Meta-Philosophy - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Viliam_Bur 24 April 2013 10:09:48AM *  1 point [-]

but do most other languages use the same word for "should" in all three of those sentences?

I suppose yes (data points: Slovak, Esperanto).

Seems to me that although the reasoning why anyone "should" do the thing is different in different cases, the expected outcome is the same -- the sentence is spoken to create a social pressure on the listener, to increase the probability that the listener will do the thing.

Thus, the presssure on other person's behavior seems like the essense of "shouldness", not the justification. (Even the special case of "I should" is probably applying the social rules to oneself, either to remind oneself that other people would want them to do that, or simply to re-use the existing mechanism of altering a person's behavior.)

Comment author: RichardKennaway 24 April 2013 12:34:42PM 0 points [-]

the sentence is spoken to create a social pressure on the listener

How does it do that? Only indirectly, through what it means to the speaker and listener. What does it mean? That is the question here, and "social pressure" is not the sort of thing that can be the answer.