Decius comments on Real-world examples of money-pumping? - Less Wrong

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Comment author: [deleted] 25 April 2013 02:06:25PM *  5 points [-]

a tangled hierarchy of preferences, and exploitation of that tangled hierarchy by an agent who cyclically trades the objects in that hierarchy, generating trade surplus on each transaction.

I used to be a used and rare bookseller. I knew what was desired and who desired it. Knowing one or both of those things I could go into one bookstore, buy a book at the price that store set, then sell it at another bookstore at a profit. I could even sell a book for credit, get a book and sell it at a third store for more profit. When I added the resources of the Internet I did even better. Then thousands of other booksellers added the Internet, then millions of casual book sellers, and I got out of the trade. There has never in human history been a better time to buy books. Not so much for the selling.

Comment author: Decius 25 April 2013 04:07:06PM 6 points [-]

That sounds more like arbitrage than money pumping; were you ever able to buy e.g. every book in a series from the same seller over a period of time, then sell the entire collection back at a premium to the same person?

Comment author: [deleted] 26 April 2013 12:37:55AM 4 points [-]

A series, no. A single book, yes!

Comment author: Decius 26 April 2013 01:23:21AM 2 points [-]

Were there unusual circumstances, or was the seller just irrational?

Comment author: [deleted] 26 April 2013 02:54:27AM *  5 points [-]

Remember there was a time before computerized inventory. A book was bought, given a price and put on a shelf. That book might go up in value. The person who priced it might not work there, or remember to re-price it among the tens of thousands of books in a store. I could buy it because I recognize it went up in value then sell it back (though to be civilized about it, not that day). Some bookstores are so large they might sell a book from their warehouse then buy it back at a profit to me over their counter. Before computerized inventory this was far from unusual or irrational. Now a computer will remember what no person could remember.

An aside: The Old Brown Coat by Lord Dunsany is a short story on this topic.

Comment author: Decius 26 April 2013 07:16:28AM 0 points [-]

That sounds like arbitrage combined with razor thin margins and imperfect information;

Comment author: [deleted] 26 April 2013 02:29:10PM 2 points [-]

Imperfect information perhaps. Selling something to the former owner the next day for (if memory serves) fifteen times what I paid for it isn't a razor thin margin.

Comment author: Matt_Simpson 25 April 2013 05:47:45PM 4 points [-]

Even then, the reason this happens might be plausibly explained by the changing information of the bookstore rather than actual intransitivity.