brainoil comments on Privileging the Question - Less Wrong

102 Post author: Qiaochu_Yuan 29 April 2013 06:30PM

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Comment author: RobbBB 29 April 2013 07:45:09AM 2 points [-]

They're not important if you're thinking about them in purely utilitarian terms, as in how many people get killed per year by illegal firearms. But they are important if you are concerned about the role of government.

I don't understand this dichotomy. What do you mean by 'purely utilitarian'? Doesn't the role of government also affect, e.g., death rates?

Perhaps your point is that they're still important, but for more complicated and indirect reasons? E.g., as schelling points or points of precedent. (You could also give, I think, a compelling argument that they're important precisely because people think they're important.)

It's entertainment, and who's to say entertainment is not important? There's no privileged value system.

There are certainly privileged value systems: the value systems people actually have. Short-term entertainment may be important, but virtuous (or at least non-destructive) conduct can be made entertaining as well.

I think most people who watch talk shows know that they are watching them for entertainment, not news.

It's more likely that they're watching them for entertaining news, or for news-enriched entertainment.

Comment author: brainoil 29 April 2013 11:37:10AM *  1 point [-]

Doesn't the role of government also affect, e.g., death rates?

Of course, but the reason that rights based libertarians oppose gun control is not utilitarianism. A rights based libertarian would oppose gun control even if the utilitarian argument for it was obviously true. Such a person would not consider this question a privileged question.

Comment author: Emile 29 April 2013 11:58:21AM 6 points [-]

You can quote by putting a ">" in front of the paragraph you're quoting, it'll make your comments more readable.