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Comment author: MrMind 06 May 2013 10:33:38AM 2 points [-]

Read Pick Up Artist books, actually do the exercises, as in don't find excuses for why you can't, do them.

That is unsatisfactory, to say the least. Assuming one can find a PUA book that actually does contain exercises and not just a plethora of fictional evidence based theories, that is not marketing material or a simple scam, one is still hard pressed to find two books that agrees on some aspects of the courtship dance...

If anyone knows of any such good book, as a short-terming male I'm very open to openly try and review it.

Comment author: wedrifid 06 May 2013 12:53:44PM 3 points [-]

one is still hard pressed to find two books that agrees on some aspects of the courtship dance...

This 'one' has had not particular difficulty finding PUA resources that agree on a significant proportion of the courtship dance. As such one questions to what extent your 'hard pressing' is sincere.

The basic premises are pretty darn similar from one PUA resource to another.

Comment author: MrMind 06 May 2013 01:15:56PM *  2 points [-]

This 'one' has had not particular difficulty finding PUA resources that agree on a significant proportion of the courtship dance. As such one questions to what extent your 'hard pressing' is sincere.

Well, right now I am sincerely baffled.

I've been reading/listening contradictory advice on basically anything, e.g. direct vs indirect approach, usefulness of story-telling, the importance of physical aspects, of dressing, where to meet women, what qualities a man should possess, etc. For any "do X, Y doesn't work" someone says, there's someone else explicitely stating "X doesn't work, do Y".

If someone's interested, I could post specific examples.

The basic premises are pretty darn similar from one PUA resource to another.

Maybe I'm overexposed to minority views. Care to elaborate which those premises are?

Comment author: ChristianKl 06 May 2013 11:17:17AM 2 points [-]

That is unsatisfactory, to say the least. Assuming one can find a PUA book that actually does contain exercises and not just a plethora of fictional evidence based theories, that is not marketing material or a simple scam, one is still hard pressed to find two books that agrees on some aspects of the courtship dance...

Two books don't need to agree on the aspects of the countship dance.

A good exercise provides for deliberate practice. A good exercise might not get you woman while you are actually doing the exercise but allow you to develop character traits that make you a more valuable partner and thus more likely to get woman in the future.

Comment author: MrMind 06 May 2013 01:05:59PM -1 points [-]

A good exercise provides for deliberate practice.

I've seen that's usually the case that books with opposing theories reccommends opposing practices, so how am I supposed to discriminate in advance between good and bad exercises?

Or am I misreading you and you're suggesting that there are no bad exercises?

Comment author: ChristianKl 06 May 2013 01:41:22PM 2 points [-]

It's good to be flexible in your own behavior. There nothing wrong with doing exercising that are opposing practices. You can practice one day being very direct and the next day being very indirect. There no conflict with learning both.

If you want to identify a good exercise I would look at the following characteristics:

1) First do no harm. If you analyse the exercise, do you believe that you have enough awareness of reading the girl with whom you are interacting with to know that you aren't doing harm. A minor awkward situation might be okay, but you don't want to create serious negative externalities for other people.

When doing that calculation you should consider that some girl might have been raped in the past and an action like slapping their butt might bring up the trauma.

2) Does the exercise feel like deliberate practice? Do you meet your own emotional barriers? A exercise might be too easy for one person and impossible to do for another. Seek exercises that provide you with a challenge but that aren't too hard.

3) There's a big difference between doing something and doing nothing. Even a suboptimal exercise is much better than devouring more theory.