David_Gerard comments on Rationality Quotes May 2013 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: [deleted] 03 May 2013 12:03:52PM 16 points [-]

it is often better to pull numbers out of your arse and use them to make a decision, than to pull a decision out of your arse.

-- Paul Crowley

Comment author: David_Gerard 04 May 2013 11:39:22AM 9 points [-]

This is a claim about reality. Do we actually know that pulling numbers out of your arse actually does produce better results than pulling the decisions out directly? Or does it just feel better, because you have a theory now?

Comment author: ciphergoth 12 May 2016 07:17:33PM 2 points [-]

Years later, this unsurprising intuition is spectacularly confirmed by the Good Judgement Project; details in "Superforecasting".

Comment author: scav 06 May 2013 11:32:54AM 1 point [-]

Well at least if you pull numbers out of your arse and then make a decision based explicitly on the assumption that they are valid, the decision is open to rational challenge by showing that the numbers are wrong when more evidence comes in. And who knows, the real numbers may be close enough to vindicate the decision.

If you just pull decisions out of your arse without reference to how they relate to evidence (even hypothetically), you are denying any method of improvement other than random trial and error. And when the real numbers become available, you still don't know anything about how good the original decision was.

Comment author: [deleted] 04 May 2013 01:29:05PM *  0 points [-]

IME pulling decisions directly out of my arse usually produces results so bad that it'd be hard to do worse, except in certain situations in which it wouldn't even occur to me to use numbers anyway.

Comment author: Estarlio 05 May 2013 12:32:03PM *  0 points [-]

That's a good point.

Plugging gut assumptions into models to make sure that the assumptions line up with each other generally produces better results for me. Beyond it just feeling better, it gives me things I can go away and test that I'd never have got otherwise.

Like if I think something's 75% likely to happen in X period and I think that something else is more likely to happen than that - do I think that the second thing is 80% likely to happen? And does that line up with information that I already have? Numbers force you to think proportionally. They network your assumptions together until you can start picking out bits of data that you have that are testable.

Intuitions aren't magic, of course, but they're rarely completely baseless.