Luke_A_Somers comments on Rationality Quotes May 2013 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: DaFranker 03 May 2013 04:41:53PM *  29 points [-]

Well... not quite. The selection effect makes the survival number basically impossible to calculate, but regularly surviving risky scenarios seems like it would provide a bit better odds for the influence of moxie than 249:200.

At some point, if the Vulcan is smart enough, I suspect the calculation would begin to hinge more on plot twists and the odds that the story is nearing its end, as the hypothesis that they are wearing Plot Armor rises up to the forefront.

I'd also suspect that the Vulcan would realize quickly that as his prediction for the probability of success approaches 1, the odds of a sudden plot reversal that plunges them all in deep poo also approaches 1. And then the Vulcan would immediately adjust to always spouting off some random high-odds-against-us number all the time just to make sure they'd always succeed heroically.

Ow, this is starting to sound very newcomblike.

Comment author: Luke_A_Somers 05 May 2013 09:10:22PM 2 points [-]

The last line of reasoning doesn't quite work. Not every incident has an episode made out of it.

Comment author: DaFranker 06 May 2013 08:41:06PM *  1 point [-]

I don't see why not. Clearly, they're even more immune to death, dismemberment and other Bad Endings when they're not in a running episode. Or they just never run into the kind of exciting situations that happen during episodes.

I also suspect that distinguishing whether an episode is running would be even easier. One dead-obvious clue: The captain insists on going on an away mission, RedShirts are sent with him, all the RedShirts die unless they're part of the primary rotation bridge crew. Instant signal that an episode is running. AFAICT, very few redshirts ever die in this manner outside of episode incidents.

Comment author: Luke_A_Somers 06 May 2013 10:33:16PM 0 points [-]

I was referring to the chances that something would go wrong when it looks nearly certain to succeed. Things can go blissfully smoothly when the camera isn't running.

Comment author: Alicorn 06 May 2013 10:37:05PM 5 points [-]

This discussion seems like it needs a reference to Redshirts by John Scalzi.

Comment author: DaFranker 07 May 2013 02:23:00PM 0 points [-]

Yes.

Hell yes it did.

*adds to want-to-read list*