Morendil comments on Open Thread, May 1-14, 2013 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: gwern 07 May 2013 06:56:37PM *  4 points [-]

EDIT: I am closing analysis on this poll now. Thanks to the 104 respondents.

This is a poll on a minor historical point which came up on #lesswrong where we wondered how obscure some useless trivia was; please do not look up anything mentioned here - knowing the answers does not make you a better person, I'm just curious - and if you were reading that part of the chat, likewise please do not answer.

  1. Do you know what a "holystone" is and is used for?

  2. In this passage:

    "Tu Mu relates a stratagem of Chu-ko Liang, who in 149 BC, when occupying Yang-p'ing and about to be attacked by Ssu-ma I, suddenly struck his colors, stopped the beating of the drums, and flung open the city gates, showing only a few men engaged in sweeping and sprinkling the ground. This unexpected proceeding had the intended effect; for Ssu-ma I, suspecting an ambush, actually drew off his army and retreated."

    Do you know why the men are "sprinkling the ground"?

    If yes, please reply to this comment using rot13 with what you believe they are doing and why.

  3. In this passage:

    "Simplicity of life, even the barest, is not a misery, but the very foundation of refinement: a sanded floor and whitewashed walls, and the green trees, and flowery meads, and living waters outside; or a grimy palace amid the smoke with a regiment of housemaids always working to smear the dirt together so that it may be unnoticed; which, think you, is the most refined, the most fit for a gentleman of those 2 dwellings?"

    Does "sanded floor" refer to...?

(I'm writing a little essay on the topic; if you're curious, respond non-anonymously and in a week or three I'll ping you with a link to it.)

Submitting...

Comment author: Morendil 08 May 2013 09:51:33AM *  3 points [-]

why the men are "sprinkling the ground"?

Unsure rather than "yes", but: xrrcvat gur qhfg qbja?

Comment author: gwern 08 May 2013 02:46:08PM 1 point [-]

Lrf.

Comment author: ygert 09 May 2013 08:26:20PM 2 points [-]

FYI, this is a good example of a case where rot13ing doesn't help at all. The instant I glanced at gwern's comment I got what was being said, simply from length considerations. In this case it's more or less OK, as it's not a major spoiler point and one would need to unrot13 Morendil's comment in order to actually get what you were saying "Lrf" about, but had gwern written the comment unrot13ed, I would have gotten exactly the same information from glancing at it.

(But maybe other people would not automatically infer the message from, say, the length? For me, it was something perfectly natural that my brain did automatically, but who knows, that might just be my brain. I am curious: do other people's brains also automatically react like that in situations like this?)

Comment author: Zaine 15 May 2013 09:32:42PM 0 points [-]

Yes, and as you might have intentionally hinted, there are ways of expressing the same sentiment with less letters - or the opposite with more.