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Comment author: Larks 24 May 2013 10:58:48PM 3 points [-]

Much as I hate to reply,

Feminism is the belief that women are people too.

is definitely false, because

I'm a feminist, but women are universally incapable of rational thought and shouldn't vote

cannot be coherently asserted, but

I believe people in comas are universally incapable of rational thought and shouldn't vote

can be coherently asserted, so it cannot be the belief that women are people that is generating the contradiction. Regardless of what else one might believe about feminism, I think this line of argument shows some it has both necessary moralised element and a necessary non-trivial positive element.

Comment author: Prismattic 25 May 2013 01:26:25AM *  5 points [-]

While I disagree with the grandparent's conflation of the least extreme version of feminism with all feminism, I think you're being a bit obtuse about her intended connotation. It would be more typical lesswrongian language to phrase it as "Feminism is the belief that women are agents [and should be treated as such]".

Comment author: Larks 25 May 2013 01:42:24PM 1 point [-]

I think that's still insufficient.

I'm a feminist, and we should put all women in prison

cannot be coherently asserted, but

I believe murderers are agents who should be treated accordingly, and put in prison

can be coherently asserted, so it cannot be the idea that we should treat women as agents that is generating the contradiction. You also need some additional premises about women being agents with certain moral properties. Equally,

I'm a feminist, and women are all stupid

cannot be coherently asserted, but

I believe stupid people are agents who should be treated as such, and that they are all stupid

can be coherently asserted, so it cannot be the belief that women are agents and deserving of appropriate treatment that is generating the contradiction.

Comment author: Emily 29 May 2013 08:30:52AM 5 points [-]

I don't feel like getting into this debate right now, but I want to apologise for the tone and unwarranted brevity/sweepingness of my first comment. The comment I was responding to upset me and I responded more from upset than from thinking about the best way to make my point. I should have argued my point carefully and calmly or refrained from making it at all. I'm going to go with the latter in this thread, but I wanted to say sorry!

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