SaidAchmiz comments on The flawed Turing test: language, understanding, and partial p-zombies - Less Wrong

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Comment author: TheOtherDave 20 May 2013 07:36:24PM 2 points [-]

at which point Searle declares that the stranger's half of the entire conversation up to that point has been nothing but the meaningless blatherings of a mindless machine, devoid entirely of any true understanding.

It is perhaps worth noting that Searle explicitly posits in that essay that the system is functioning as a Giant Lookup Table.

If faced with an actual GLUT Chinese Room... well, honestly, I'm more inclined to believe that I'm being spoofed than trust the evidence of my senses.

But leaving that aside, if faced with something I somehow am convinced is a GLUT Chinese Room, I have to rethink my whole notion of how complicated conversation actually is, and yeah, I would probably conclude that the entire conversation up to that point has been devoid entirely of any true understanding. (I would also have to rethink my grounds for believing that humans have true understanding.)

I don't expect that to happen, though.

Comment author: SaidAchmiz 20 May 2013 07:54:07PM *  5 points [-]

Actually, Searle's description of the thought experiment does include a "program", a set of rules for manipulating the Chinese symbols provided to the room's occupant. Searle also addresses a version of the contrary position (the pro-AI position, as it were) that posits a simulation of an actual brain (to which I alluded in the grandparent). He doesn't think that would possess true understanding, either.

I think that if we've gotten to the point where we're rethinking whether humans have true understanding, we should instead admit that we haven't the first clue what "true understanding" is or what relation, if any, said mysterious property has to do with whatever we're detecting in our test subjects.

Oh, and: GAZP vs. GLUT.