algekalipso comments on The flawed Turing test: language, understanding, and partial p-zombies - Less Wrong

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Comment author: algekalipso 22 May 2013 12:14:27AM 2 points [-]

Did you know that we already have instances of things that pass the Turing test?

And more surprisingly, that we don't generally consider them conscious?

And the most amazing of all: That they have existed for probably at the very least a hundred thousand years (but possibly much more)?

I am talking about the characters in our dreams

They fool us into thinking that they are conscious! That they are the subjects of their own worlds just as people presumably are when awake.

You can have a very eloquent conversation with a dream character without ever noticing there is any apparent lack of consciousness. You can even ask them about their own consciousness (I have done so).

The riddle to why this is possible involves a very deep state of affairs that we are scarcely aware of in daily life. Namely, that your phenomenal self is, just as well, a dream character.

Comment author: Luke_A_Somers 22 May 2013 01:21:05AM 6 points [-]

They borrow our machinery for consciousness - it's not clear to me that they aren't.

Also, it's rare for a dream to be so coherent that a transcript would convince an unimpaired (conscious) human.