Eliezer_Yudkowsky comments on Mathematicians and the Prevention of Recessions - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 25 May 2013 04:04:25PM 0 points [-]

If I'm understanding my Sumner right, Krugman is just plain wrong about this. Central banks can decrease interest rates, promise to keep future interest rates low, engage in quantitative easing, charge negative interest on reserves, and print physical money and drop it out of helicopters. "There is no zero bound" is a market monetarist slogan and I have to say it sounds a tad plausible from over here.

Comment author: SilasBarta 26 May 2013 06:26:00AM *  1 point [-]

Plausible enough to overcome the presumption against "printing money is a costless way to solve economic problems"?

Comment author: jsalvatier 26 May 2013 08:36:01PM *  2 points [-]

As a blanket presumption, that's dumb and you know it.

Certainly printing money is a near costless way to solve economic problems at some times otherwise we wouldn't use money at all. Sumner doesn't advocate printing money at all times and places, he advocates printing or destroying money until there is the correct amount (which he suggests is when NGDP is on-trend).

Comment author: SilasBarta 26 May 2013 09:35:59PM 1 point [-]

As a blanket presumption, that's dumb and you know it.

I think you're confusing "presumption" with "categorial principle" or "axiom" or something. A presumption can be overridden, given sufficient evidence; my question was whether or how strongly EY takes a presumption against it. If you agree with the concept of criminalizing counterfeiting, you agree with that presumption.

Certainly printing money is a near costless way to solve economic problems at some times otherwise we wouldn't use money at all.

Does not follow. Not all moneys arose in a Pareto-optimal fashion, so their use not evidence printing money being costless.

Comment author: jsalvatier 25 May 2013 10:40:58PM 1 point [-]

My understanding is that Krugman is not wrong, he just writes correctly but very misleadingly for reasons that are not totally clear.

Comment author: Eugine_Nier 26 May 2013 01:58:20AM 8 points [-]

very misleadingly for reasons that are not totally clear.

Oh, I think his reasons are pretty clear. They basically amount to politics.

Comment author: gwern 26 May 2013 02:33:28AM 8 points [-]

I found the article "The Deflationist: How Paul Krugman found politics" educational on that point.

Comment author: SilasBarta 26 May 2013 05:23:35PM 1 point [-]

Holy crap: that article has "get to the point":fluff ratio of about 5%. I appreciate the link, but just want to warn readers they need to skip past a lot of meandering about scenes from NYC to get the answer to the question.

Comment author: CronoDAS 25 May 2013 10:24:12PM 1 point [-]

On this point, I'd just have to chalk it up as "beyond my current expertise". (Part of Krugman's argument is that although "unconventional" monetary policy is possible, political and other considerations make it much harder to do.)