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Comment author: sanddbox 05 June 2013 02:25:51AM -1 points [-]

Beliefs have to pay rent.

Exactly. When has a belief in god payed rent?

Would you start believing in some greater force if someone demostrates to you that those experiences exist by guiding you through the experience?

This is very wishy-washy language. If there were enough evidence of a 'greater force' to make it worth believing, I would believe it. Naturally, that would have to be a lot of evidence.

How much different kind of spiritual experiences would you need to experience to drop your belief in materialism?

For future reference, you'd use "many" instead of "much" in your first sentence. Anyway, by materialism do you mean physicalism? As above, I would need an enormous amount of evidence to change my views in this case.

Comment author: ChristianKl 05 June 2013 10:14:21AM 1 point [-]

Exactly. When has a belief in god payed rent?

I spoke didn't use the God word but spoke more generally about spiritual experiences, which you believe don't happen.

This is very wishy-washy language. If there were enough evidence of a 'greater force' to make it worth believing, I would believe it.

The question is: How much evidence would you need?

If I understand your map of the world right, spiritual experiences like recalling past lifes shouldn't exist? The people who make those reports didn't really made those experiences.

If someone would guide you through recalling a memory of a pastlife that feels as real as the memories that you recall from your present life how much would that cause you to update?

Comment author: sanddbox 06 June 2013 05:05:10PM 0 points [-]

If someone would guide you through recalling a memory of a pastlife that feels as real as the memories that you recall from your present life how much would that cause you to update?

Knowing how easily manipulable the human mind is, I wouldn't weight that as very strong evidence, especially when it comes to subjective feelings. As an example, humans modify their memories all the time without really realizing it, as in the case of people who point fingers at the wrong crime suspect and decades later are proven wrong.