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Lately I've been listening to audiobooks (at 2x speed) in my down time, especially ones that seem likely to have passages relevant to the question of how well policy-makers will deal with AGI, basically continuing this project but only doing the "collection" stage, not the "analysis" stage.
I'll post quotes from the audiobooks I listen to as replies to this comment.
From Watts' Everything is Obvious:
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From Caplan's The Myth of the Rational Voter:
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This is an absurdly narrow definition of self-interest. Many people who are not old have parents who are senior citizens. Men have wives, sisters, and daughters whose well-being is important to them. Etc. Self-interest != solipsistic egoism.
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Allow me to offer an alternative explanation of this phenomenon for consideration. Typically, when polled about their trust in insitutions, people tend to trust the executive branch more than the legislature or the courts, and they trust the military far more than they trust civilian government agencies. In the period before 9/11, our long national nightmare of peace and prosperity would generally have made the military less salient in people's minds, and the spectacles of impeachment and Bush v. Gore would have made the legislative and judicial branches more salient in people's minds. After 9/11, the legislative agenda quieted down/the legislature temporarily took a back seat to the executive, and military and national security organs became very high salience. So when people were asked about the government, the most immediate associations would have been to the parts that were viewed as more trustworthy.
One quote from Taleb's AntiFragile is here, and here's another:
AntiFragile makes lots of interesting points, but it's clear in some cases that Taleb is running roughshod over the truth in order to support his preferred view. I've italicized the particularly lame part:
From Rhodes' Arsenals of Folly:
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Amazing stuff. Was the world really as close to a nuclear war in 1983 as in 1962?
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And, a blockquote from the writings of Robert Gates:
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From Feynman's Surely You're Joking, Mr. Feynman:
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From Ariely's The Honest Truth about Dishonesty:
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From Think Like a Freak:
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From Rhodes' Twilight of the Bombs:
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From Pentland's Social Physics:
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From Harford's The Undercover Economist Strikes Back:
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From de Mesquita and Smith's The Dictator's Handbook:
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From Ferguson's The Ascent of Money:
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The Medici Bank is pretty interesting. A while ago I wrote https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medici_Bank on the topic; LWers might find it interesting how international finance worked back then.
Passage from Patterson's Dark Pools: The Rise of the Machine Traders and the Rigging of the U.S. Stock Market:
But it proved all too easy: The very first tape Wang played revealed two dealers fixing prices.
From Richard Rhodes' The Making of the Atomic Bomb:
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After Alexander Sachs paraphrased the Einstein-Szilard letter to Roosevelt, Roosevelt demanded action, and Edwin Watson set up a meeting with representatives from the Bureau of Standards, the Army, and the Navy...
Upon asking for some money to conduct the relevant experiments, the Army representative launched into a tirade:
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Frisch and Peierls wrote a two-part report of their findings:
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On the origins of the Einstein–Szilárd letter:
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Some relevant quotes from Schlosser's Command and Control: Nuclear Weapons, the Damascus Accident, and the Illusion of Safety:
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There was so much worth quoting from Better Angels of Our Nature that I couldn't keep up. I'll share a few quotes anyway.
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Further reading on integrative complexity:
Wikipedia Psychlopedia Google book
Now that I've been introduced to the concept, I want to evaluate how useful it is to incorporate into my rhetorical repertoire and vocabulary. And, to determine whether it can inform my beliefs about assessing the exfoliating intelligence of others (a term I'll coin to refer to that intelligence/knowledge which another can pass on to me to aid my vocabulary and verbal abstract reasoning - my neuropsychological strengths which I try to max out just like an RPG character).
At a less meta level, knowing the strengths and weaknesses of the trait will inform whether I choose to signal it or dampen it from herein and in what situations. It is important for imitators to remember that whatever IC is associated with does not neccersarily imply those associations to lay others.
strengths
As listed in psycholopedia:
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seem antagonistic and even narcissistic based on the wiki article:
dependence (more likely to defer to others)
Upon reflection, here are my conclusions:
More (#4) from Better Angels of Our Nature:
Untrue unless you're in a non-sequential game
True under a utilitarian framework and with a few common mind-theoretic assumptions derived from intuitions stemming from most people's empathy
Woo
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From Lewis' Flash Boys:
So Spivey began digging the line, keeping it secret for 2 years. He didn't start trying to sell the line to banks and traders until a couple months before the line was complete. And then:
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Do you keep a list of the audiobooks you liked anywhere? I'd love to take a peek.
Okay. In this comment I'll keep an updated list of audiobooks I've heard since Sept. 2013, for those who are interested. All audiobooks are available via iTunes/Audible unless otherwise noted.
Outstanding:
* Tetlock, Expert Political Judgment
* Pinker, The Better Angels of Our Nature (my clips)
* Schlosser, Command and Control (my clips)
* Yergin, The Quest (my clips)
* Osnos, Age of Ambition (my clips)
Worthwhile if you care about the subject matter:
* Singer, Wired for War (my clips)
* Feinstein, The Shadow World (my clips)
* Venter, Life at the Speed of Light (my clips)
* Rhodes, Arsenals of Folly (my clips)
* Weiner, Enemies: A History of the FBI (my clips)
* Rhodes, The Making of the Atomic Bomb (available here) (my clips)
* Gleick, Chaos (my clips)
* Wiener, Legacy of Ashes: The History of the CIA (my clips)
* Freese, Coal: A Human History (my clips)
* Aid, The Secret Sentry (my clips)
* Scahill, Dirty Wars (my clips)
* Patterson, Dark Pools (my clips)
* Lieberman, The Story of the Human Body
* Pentland, Social Physics (my clips)
* Okasha, Philosophy of Science: VSI
* Mazzetti, The Way of the Knife (my clips)
* Ferguson, The Ascent of Money (my clips)
* Lewis, The Big Short (my clips)
* de Mesquita & Smith, The Dictator's Handbook (my clips)
* Sunstein, Worst-Case Scenarios (available here) (my clips)
* Johnson, Where Good Ideas Come From (my clips)
* Harford, The Undercover Economist Strikes Back (my clips)
* Caplan, The Myth of the Rational Voter (my clips)
* Hawkins & Blakeslee, On Intelligence
* Gleick, The Information (my clips)
* Gleick, Isaac Newton
* Greene, Moral Tribes
* Feynman, Surely You're Joking, Mr. Feynman! (my clips)
* Sabin, The Bet (my clips)
* Watts, Everything Is Obvious: Once You Know the Answer (my clips)
* Greenblatt, The Swerve: How the World Became Modern (my clips)
* Cain, Quiet: The Power of Introverts in a World That Can't Stop Talking
* Dennett, Freedom Evolves
* Kaufman, The First 20 Hours
* Gertner, The Idea Factory (my clips)
* Olen, Pound Foolish
* McArdle, The Up Side of Down
* Rhodes, Twilight of the Bombs (my clips)
* Isaacson, Steve Jobs (my clips)
* Priest & Arkin, Top Secret America (my clips)
* Ayres, Super Crunchers (my clips)
* Lewis, Flash Boys (my clips)
* Dartnell, The Knowledge (my clips)
* Cowen, The Great Stagnation
* Lewis, The New New Thing (my clips)
* McCray, The Visioneers (my clips)
* Jackall, Moral Mazes (my clips)
* Langewiesche, The Atomic Bazaar
* Ariely, The Honest Truth about Dishonesty (my clips)
A process for turning ebooks into audiobooks for personal use, at least on Mac:
To de-DRM your Audible audiobooks, just use Tune4Mac.
VoiceDream for iPhone does a very fine job of text-to-speech; it also syncs your pocket bookmarks and can read epub files.
Other:
* Roose, Young Money. Too focused on a few individuals for my taste, but still has some interesting content. (my clips)
* Hofstadter & Sander, Surfaces and Essences. Probably a fine book, but I was only interested enough to read the first and last chapters.
* Taleb, AntiFragile. Learned some from it, but it's kinda wrong much of the time. (my clips)
* Acemoglu & Robinson, Why Nations Fail. Lots of handy examples, but too much of "our simple theory explains everything." (my clips)
* Byrne, The Many Worlds of Hugh Everett III (available here). Gave up on it; too much theory, not enough story. (my clips)
* Drexler, Radical Abundance. Gave up on it; too sanitized and basic.
* Mukherjee, The Emperor of All Maladies. Gave up on it; too slow in pace and flowery in language for me.
* Fukuyama, The Origins of Political Order. Gave up on it; the author is more keen on name-dropping theorists than on tracking down data.
* Friedman, The Moral Consequences of Economic Growth (available here). Gave up on it. There are some actual data in chs. 5-7, but the argument is too weak and unclear for my taste.
* Tuchman, The Proud Tower. Gave up on it after a couple chapters. Nothing wrong with it, it just wasn't dense enough in the kind of learning I'm trying to do.
* Foer, Eating Animals. I listened to this not to learn, but to shift my emotions. But it was too slow-moving, so I didn't finish it.
* Caro, The Power Broker. This might end up under "outstanding" if I ever finish it. For now, I've put this one on hold because it's very long and not as highly targeted at the useful learning I want to be doing right now than some other books.
* Rutherfurd, Sarum. This is the furthest I've gotten into any fiction book for the past 5 years at least, including HPMoR. I think it's giving my system 1 an education into what life was like in the historical eras it covers, without getting bogged down in deep characterization, complex plotting, or ornate environmental description. But I've put it on hold for now because it is incredibly long.
* Diamond, Collapse. I listened to several chapters, but it seemed to be mostly about environmental decline, which doesn't interest me much, so I stopped listening.
* Bowler & Morus, Making Modern Science (available here) (my clips). A decent history of modern science but not focused enough on what I wanted to learn, so I gave up.
* Brynjolfsson & McAfee, The Second Machine Age (my clips). Their earlier, shorter Race Against the Machine contained the core arguments; this book expands the material in order to explain things to a lay audience. As with Why Nations Fail, I have too many quibbles with this book's argument to put this book in the 'Liked' category.
* Clery, A Piece of the Sun. Nothing wrong with it, I just wasn't learning the type of things I was hoping to learn, so I stopped about half way through.
* Schuman, The Miracle. Fairly interesting, but not quite dense enough in the kind of stuff I'm hoping to learn these days.
* Conway & Oreskes, Merchants of Doubt. Fairly interesting, but not dense enough in the kind of things I'm hoping to learn.
* Horowitz, The Hard Thing About Hard Things
* Wessel, Red Ink
* Levitt & Dubner, Think Like a Freak (my clips)
* Gladwell, David and Goliath (my clips)
Could you say a bit about your audiobook selection process?
When I was just starting out in September 2013, I realized that vanishingly few of the books I wanted to read were available as audiobooks, so it didn't make sense for me to search Audible for titles I wanted to read: the answer was basically always "no." So instead I browsed through the top 2000 best-selling unabridged non-fiction audiobooks on Audible, added a bunch of stuff to my wishlist, and then scrolled through the wishlist later and purchased the ones I most wanted to listen to.
These days, I have a better sense of what kind of books have a good chance of being recorded as audiobooks, so I sometimes do search for specific titles on Audible.
Some books that I really wanted to listen to are available in ebook but not audiobook, so I used this process to turn them into audiobooks. That only barely works, sometimes. I have to play text-to-speech audiobooks at a lower speed to understand them, and it's harder for my brain to stay engaged as I'm listening, especially when I'm tired. I might give up on that process, I'm not sure.
Most but not all of the books are selected because I expect them to have lots of case studies in "how the world works," specifically with regard to policy-making, power relations, scientific research, and technological development. This is definitely true for e.g. Command and Control, The Quest, Wired for War, Life at the Speed of Light, Enemies, The Making of the Atomic Bomb, Chaos, Legacy of Ashes, Coal, The Secret Sentry, Dirty Wars, The Way of the Knife, The Big Short, Worst-Case Scenarios, The Information, and The Idea Factory.
I definitely found out something similar. I've come to believe that most 'popular science', 'popular history' etc books are on audible, but almost anything with equations or code is not.
The 'great courses' have been quite fantastic for me for learning about the social sciences. I found out about those recently.
Occasionally I try podcasts for very niche topics (recent Rails updates, for instance), but have found them to be rather uninteresting in comparison to full books and courses.
Thanks!
Thanks! Your first 3 are not my cup of tea, but I'll keep looking through the top 1000 list. For now, I am listening to MaddAddam, the last part of Margaret Atwood's post-apocalyptic fantasy trilogy, which qrnyf jvgu bar zna qvfnccbvagrq jvgu uvf pbagrzcbenel fbpvrgl ervairagvat naq ercbchyngvat gur rnegu jvgu orggre crbcyr ur qrfvtarq uvzfrys. She also has some very good non-fiction, like her Massey lecture on debt, which I warmly recommend.
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From Priest & Arkin's Top Secret America:
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I wonder if the security-industrial complex bureaucracy is any better in other countries.
Which sense of "better" do you have in mind? :-)
More efficient.
KGB had a certain aura, though I don't know if its descendants have the same cachet. Israeli security is supposed to be very good.
Stay tuned; The Secret History of MI6 and Defend the Realm are in my audiobook queue. :)
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From Scahill's Dirty Wars:
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Foreign fighters show up everywhere. And now there's the whole Islamic State issue. Perhaps all the world needs is more foreign legions doing good things. The FFL is overrecruited afterall. Heck, we could even deal with the refugee crisis by offering visas to those mercenaries. Sure as hell would be more popular than selling visas and citizenship cause people always get antsy about inequality and having less downward social comparisons.
From Singer's Wired for War:
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The army recruiters say that soldiers on the ground still win wars. I reckon that Douhet's prediction will approach true, however, crudely. Drones.
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Inequality doesn't seem so bad now, huh?
From Osnos' Age of Ambition:
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From Soldiers of Reason:
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From David and Goliath:
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From Wade's A Troublesome Inheritance:
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From Ayres' Super Crunchers, speaking of Epagogix, which uses neural nets to predict a movie's box office performance from its screenplay:
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From Isaacson's Steve Jobs:
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[no more clips, because Audible somehow lost all my bookmarks for the last two parts of the audiobook!]
From Feinstein's The Shadow World:
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From Weiner's Enemies:
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From The Second Machine Age:
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From Johnson's Where Good Ideas Come From:
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I'm sure that I've seen your answer to this question somewhere before, but I can't recall where: Of the audiobooks that you've listened to, which have been most worthwhile?
I keep an updated list here.
I guess I might as well post quotes from (non-audio) books here as well, when I have no better place to put them.
First up is Revolution in Science.
Starting on page 45:
This amazingly high percentage of self-proclaimed revolutionary scientists (30% or more) seems like a result of selection bias, since most scientist with oversized egos are not even remembered. I wonder what fraction of actual scientists (not your garden-variety crackpots) insist on having produced a revolution in science.
From Sunstein's Worst-Case Scenarios:
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Similar issues are raised by the continuing debate over whether certain antidepressants impose a (small) risk of breast cancer. A precautionary approach might seem to argue against the use of these drugs because of their carcinogenic potential. But the failure to use those antidepressants might well impose risks of its own, certainly psychological and possibly even physical (because psychological ailments are sometimes associated with physical ones as well). Or consider the decision by the Soviet Union to evacuate and relocate more than 270,000 people in response to the risk of adverse effects from the Chernobyl fallout. It is hardly clear that on balance this massive relocation project was justified on health grounds: "A comparison ought to have been made between the psychological and medical burdens of this measure (anxiety, psychosomatic diseases, depression and suicides) and the harm that may have been prevented." More generally, a sensible government might want to ignore the small risks associated with low levels of radiation, on the ground that precautionary responses are likely to cause fear that outweighs any health benefits from those responses - and fear is not good for your health.
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But at least so far in the book, Sunstein doesn't mention the obvious rejoinder about investing now to prevent existential catastrophe.
Anyway, another quote:
From Gleick's Chaos:
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From Lewis' The Big Short:
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From Gleick's The Information:
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From Acemoglu & Robinson's Why Nations Fail:
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From Greenblatt's The Swerve: How the World Became Modern:
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From Aid's The Secret Sentry:
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Even when enemy troops and tanks overran the major South Vietnamese military base at Bien Hoa, outside Saigon, on April 26, Martin still refused to accept that Saigon was doomed. On April 28, Glenn met with the ambassador carry ing a message from Allen ordering Glenn to pack up his equipment and evacuate his remaining staff immediately. Martin refused to allow this. The following morning, the military airfield at Tan Son Nhut fell, cutting off the last air link to the outside.
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From Mazzetti's The Way of the Knife:
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From Freese's Coal: A Human History:
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Passages from The Many Worlds of Hugh Everett III:
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(It wasn't until decades later that David Deutsch and others showed that Everettian quantum mechanics does make novel experimental predictions.)
A passage from Tim Weiner's Legacy of Ashes: The History of the CIA:
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I shared one quote here. More from Life at the Speed of Light:
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