My thoughts about how I go about associating systems with the expectation of subjective experience are elsewhere and I have nothing new to add to it here.

As regards you and A... I realize that you are appealing directly to experience, whereas A is merely appealing to containment, and I accept that it's obvious to you that experience is importantly different from containment in a way that makes your position importantly non-analogous to A's.

I have no response to A that I expect A to find compelling... they simply don't believe that containership is fully explained by the permeability and topology of containers. And, you know, maybe they're right... maybe some day someone will come up with a superior explanation of containerhood that depends on some previously unsuspected property of containers and we'll all be amazed at the realization that containers aren't what we thought they were. I don't find it likely, though.

I also have no response to you that I expect you to find compelling. And maybe someday someone will come up with a superior explanation of consciousness that depends on some previously unsuspected property of conscious systems, and I'll be amazed at the realization that such systems aren't what I thought they were, and that you were right all along.