Will_Sawin comments on Many Weak Arguments vs. One Relatively Strong Argument - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Will_Sawin 14 June 2013 02:08:32AM 2 points [-]

But mathematicians also frequently dream up highly nontrivial things that are true, that mathematicians (and physicists) don't understand sufficiently well to be able to prove even after dozens of years of reflection. The Riemann hypothesis is almost three times as old as quantum field theory. There are also the Langlands conjectures, Hodge conjecture, etc., etc. So it's not clear that something fundamentally different is going on here.

Comment author: JonahSinick 14 June 2013 02:46:39AM *  -1 points [-]

I agree that the sort of reasoning that physicists use sometimes shows up in math.

I don't think that the Riemann hypothesis counts as an example: as you know, its truth is suggested by surface heuristic considerations, so there's a sense in which it's clear why it should be true.

I think that the Langlands program is an example: it constitutes a synthesis of many known number theoretic phenomena that collectively hinted at some general structure: they can be thought of "many weak arguments" for the general conjectures

But the work of Langlands, Shimura, Grothendieck and Deligne should be distinguished between the sort of work that most mathematicians do most of the time, which tends to be significantly more skewed toward deduction.

From what I've heard, quantum field theory allows one to accurately predict certain physical constants to 8 decimal places, with the reasons why the computations work very unclear. But I know essentially nothing about this. As I said, I can connect you with my friend for details.

Comment author: Will_Sawin 14 June 2013 03:21:10AM 1 point [-]

Most physicists most of the time aren't Dirac, Pauli, Yang, Mills, Feynmann, Witten, etc.

Comment author: JonahSinick 14 June 2013 03:45:34AM -1 points [-]

No, but my impression is that the physics culture has been more influenced by the MWA style than mathematical culture has. In particular, my impression is that most physicists understand "the big picture" (which has been figured out by using MWAs) whereas in my experience, most mathematicians are pretty focused on individual research problems.