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Okay. This sounds like you're trying to make up your own FAI theory in much the same fashion as Holden (and it's different from Holden's, of course). Um, what I'd like to do at this point is take out a big Hammer of Authority and tell you to read "Artificial Intelligence: A Modern Approach" so your mind would have some better grist to feed on as to where AI is and what it's all about. If I can't do that... I'm not really sure where I could take this conversation. I don't have the time to personally guide you to understanding of modern AI starting from that kind of starting point. If there's somebody else you'd trust to tell you about AI, with more domain expertise, I could chat with them and then they could verify things to you. I just don't know where to take it from here.
On the object level I will quickly remark that some of the first attempts at heavier-than-air flying-machines had feathers and beaks and they did not work very well, that 'interacting specialized modules' is Selling Nonapples, that there is an old discussion in cognitive science about the degree of domain specificity in human intelligence, and that the idea that 'humans are the only example we have' is generally sterile, for reasons I've already written about but I can't remember the links offhand, hopefully someone else does. It might be in Levels of Organization in General Intelligence, I generally consider that pretty obsolete but it might be targeted to your current level.
Just wondering why you see Jonah Sinick of high enough status to be worth explaining to what's been discussed on LW repeatedly. Or maybe I'm totally misreading this exchange.
I'm puzzled as to what you think I'm missing: can you say more?
Matching "first AGI will [probably] have internal structure analogous to that of a human" and "first AGI [will probably have] many interacting specialized modules" in a literal (cough uncharitable cough) manner, as evidenced by "heavier-than-air flying-machines had feathers and beaks". Your phrasing hints at an anthropocentric architectural bias, analogous to the one you specifically distance yourself from regarding values.
Maybe you should clarify that part, it's crucial to the current misunderstanding, and it's not clear whether by "interacting specialized modules" you'd also refer to "Java classes not corresponding to anything 'human' in particular", or whether you'd expect a "thalamus-module".
I think that people should make more of an effort to pay attention to the nuances of people's statements rather than using simple pattern matching.
There's a great deal to write about this, and I'll do so at a later date.
To give you a small taste of what I have in mind: suppose you ask "How likely is it that the final digit of the Dow Jones will be 2 in two weeks." I've never thought about this question. A priori, I have no Bayesian prior. What my brain does, is to amalgamate
Different parts of my brain generate the different pieces, and another part of my brain combines them. I'm not using a single well-defined Bayesian prior, nor am I satisfying a well defined utility function.
I don't want to comment on the details, as this is way outside my area of expertise, but I do want to point out that you appear to be a victim of the bright dilettante fallacy. You appear to think that your significant mathematical background makes you an expert in an unrelated field without having to invest the time and effort required to get up to speed in it.
I don't claim to have any object level knowledge of AI.
My views on this point are largely based on what I've heard from people who work on AI, together with introspection as to how I and other humans reason, and the role of heuristics in reasoning.
Maybe something to do with Jonah being previously affiliated with GiveWell?