MrMind comments on [link] Scott Aaronson on free will - Less Wrong

20 Post author: DanielVarga 10 June 2013 11:24PM

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Comment author: torekp 21 June 2013 04:48:46PM 0 points [-]

Sorry, I was unclear. I don't think that's a mistake at all! The only "problem" is that it may be an understatement. On a bi-directional determinist picture, our choices today utterly decisively select one past, in a logical sense. That is, statements specifically describing a single past follow logically from statements describing our choices today plus other facts of today's universe. The present still doesn't cause the past, but that's a mere tautology: we call the later event the "effect" and the earlier one the "cause".

Comment author: ESRogs 21 June 2013 07:41:44PM 0 points [-]

our choices today utterly decisively select one past, in a logical sense

That's not necessarily true if multiple pasts are consistent with the state of the present, right? In other words, if there is information loss as you move forward in time.

Comment author: torekp 22 June 2013 01:24:27AM 1 point [-]

Indeed. Those wouldn't be bi-directional determinist theories, though. Interestingly, QM gets portrayed a lot like a bi-directional determinist theory in the wiki article on the black hole information paradox. (I don't know enough QM to know how accurate that is.)