Qiaochu_Yuan comments on After critical event W happens, they still won't believe you - Less Wrong

37 Post author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 13 June 2013 09:59PM

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Comment author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 14 June 2013 02:09:09PM 6 points [-]

I notice I am confused (he said politely). Kasparov is not stupid and modern chess programs on a home computer e.g. Deep Rybka 3.0 are overwhelmingly more powerful than Deep Blue, there should be no reasonable way for anyone to delude themselves that computer chess programs are not crushingly superior to unassisted humans.

Comment author: Qiaochu_Yuan 15 June 2013 07:12:56PM *  -2 points [-]

Request that Thomas be treated as a troll. I'm not sure if he's actually a troll, but he's close enough.

Edit: This isn't primarily based on the above comment, it's primarily based on this comment.

Comment author: Kawoomba 15 June 2013 07:44:33PM *  2 points [-]

Actually, starting at and around the 30 minute mark in this video -- an interview with Kasparov done in Maribor, a couple months ago, no less -- he whines about the whole human versus machine match up a lot, suggests new winning conditions (human just has to win one game of a series to show superiority, since the "endurance" aspect is the machine "cheating") which would redefine the result etcetera.

Honi soit qui mal y pense.

Comment author: Qiaochu_Yuan 15 June 2013 07:48:09PM 1 point [-]

Honi soit qui mal y pense.

I looked this up but I don't understand what it was intended to mean in this context.

Comment author: Kawoomba 15 June 2013 07:59:53PM *  4 points [-]

"Shame on him, who suspects illicit motivation" is given as one of the many possible translations. Don't take the "shame" part too literally, but there is some irony in pointing out someone as a troll when the one comment you use for doing so turns out to be true, and interesting to boot (Kasparov engaging in bad-loser-let's-warp-the-facts behavior).

I'm not taking a stance on the issue whether Thomas is or isn't a troll, you were probably mostly looking for a good-seeming place to share your opinion about him.

(Like spotting a cereal thief in a supermarket, day after day. Then when you finally hold him and call the authorities, it turns out that single time he didn't steal.)

Comment author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 15 June 2013 09:00:24PM 0 points [-]

Hm. A brief glance at Thomas's profile makes it hard to be sure. I will be on the lookout.

Comment author: [deleted] 16 June 2013 05:31:27PM 0 points [-]

So why did you write that here rather than there?

Ah, right, the karma toll.

Comment author: Qiaochu_Yuan 16 June 2013 06:57:18PM 2 points [-]

I thought it would be more likely to be seen by Eliezer if I responded to Eliezer.