shminux comments on Quotes and Notes on Scott Aaronson’s "The Ghost in the Quantum Turing Machine" - Less Wrong

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Comment author: shminux 18 June 2013 10:02:17PM 0 points [-]

but doesn't say anything obviously wrong.

I don't believe I claimed that he did. When I expressed not understanding the relevance or even meaning of his notation, all I got in reply was more poetic waxing. By contrast, your clear and to the point explanation made sense to this lowly ex-physicist. So, I am not sure which part of my reply was uncharitable... Anyway, JS is now on my rather short list of people not worth engaging with in an online discussion.

Comment author: [deleted] 18 June 2013 10:26:40PM *  1 point [-]

So, I am not sure which part of my reply was uncharitable...

The part where you accuse him of a "status smash" after he directly answered what J was (that is, the composition of those two maps) and why it was important (that is, because it reflects the symplectic structure). The only lack of productivity is this thread is yours.

Anyway, JS is now on my rather short list of people not worth engaging with in an online discussion.

These sorts of declarations always remind me of Sophist:

STRANGER: The attempt at universal separation is the final annihilation of all reasoning; for only by the union of conceptions with one another do we attain to discourse of reason.

Comment author: shminux 19 June 2013 04:44:00PM *  1 point [-]

Huh, I guess I am not alone in being Sidles-averse, for the same reasons.

Comment author: JohnSidles 19 June 2013 06:24:48PM *  -1 points [-]

Shminux, perhaps some Less Wrong readers will enjoy the larger reflection of our differing perspectives that is provided by Arthur Jaffe and Frank Quinn’s ‘Theoretical mathematics’: Toward a cultural synthesis of mathematics and theoretical physics (Bull. AMS 1993, arXiv:math/9307227, 188 citations); an article that was notable for its biting criticism of Bill Thurston's geometrization program.

Thurston's gentle, thoughtful, and scrupulously polite response On proof and progress in mathematics (Bull. AMS 1994, arXiv:math/9307227, 389 citations) has emerged as a classic of the mathematical literature, and is recommended to modern students by many mathematical luminaries (Terry Tao's weblog sidebar has a permanent link to it, for example).

Conclusion It is no bad thing for students to be familiar with this literature, which plainly shows us that it is neither necessary, nor feasible, nor desirable for everyone to think alike!

Comment author: [deleted] 18 June 2013 10:50:17PM 1 point [-]

These sorts of declarations always remind me of Sophist:

That's a little out of context...I think the stranger literally means the union of concepts, not the union of opinions or points of view.

Comment author: shminux 18 June 2013 10:33:41PM 0 points [-]

I see. Well, I very much appreciate your feedback, it's good to know how what I say comes across. I will ponder it further.

Comment author: JohnSidles 21 June 2013 12:03:54PM -1 points [-]

Shminux, it may be that you will find that your concerns are substantially addressed by Joshua Landsberg's Clash of Cultures essay (2012), which is cited above.

"These conversations [are] very stressful to all involved ... there are language and even philosophical barriers to be overcome."