CellBioGuy comments on Why do theists, undergrads, and Less Wrongers favor one-boxing on Newcomb? - Less Wrong

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Comment author: CellBioGuy 19 June 2013 02:26:49AM *  3 points [-]

More formal logic and philosophy training -> a greater chance to over-think it and think explicitly about decision theory (and possibly even have loyalties to particular rigid theories) rather than just doing what gets you more money? A case of thinking too deeply about the matter just leading a large fraction of people into confusion?

Comment author: CarlShulman 19 June 2013 02:33:34AM *  6 points [-]

A case of thinking too deeply about the matter just leading a large fraction of people into confusion?

Confusion doesn't explain the firm directionality of the trend.

(and possibly even have loyalties to particular rigid theories)

This doesn't explain which one gets dominance, although it allows some amplification of noise or bias caused by other factors.

Comment author: ESRogs 19 June 2013 09:53:25PM 0 points [-]

I think the "think explicitly about decision theory" part was supposed to indicate the direction, since CDT as been the leader.

Comment author: Decius 19 June 2013 05:53:57AM -2 points [-]

At the time you are asked to make the decision, taking both boxes gets you more money than taking one box does.

People who take one box take $1,000,000 instead of $1,001,000; people who take two boxes take $1000 instead of $0.

Comment author: Baughn 19 June 2013 04:29:41PM 0 points [-]

Um, huh?

I don't enjoy word games, but what does "instead of" mean here?

Comment author: Decius 19 June 2013 05:47:18PM 0 points [-]

The one-boxers had a choice between $1m and $1m+1k; the two boxers had a choice between $0 and $1k. The "instead of" refers to their reward if they had done the opposite of what it had already been predicted that they do.

Comment author: Baughn 20 June 2013 09:28:36AM 1 point [-]

The problem statement is assuming a perfect predictor, though, so that 'instead of' clause is mostly noise.

Comment author: Decius 21 June 2013 02:17:39AM 0 points [-]

Yeah, it designates the counterfactual; what they didn't take.

Comment author: Baughn 21 June 2013 01:27:49PM 0 points [-]

It's not referring to a possible state of reality.

Comment author: Decius 22 June 2013 11:25:15PM 0 points [-]

In which case there aren't possible states of reality; only exemplified and counterfactual states.