Decius comments on Why do theists, undergrads, and Less Wrongers favor one-boxing on Newcomb? - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Decius 20 June 2013 02:32:46AM 0 points [-]

Social signalling doesn't make one easier to accurately predict. Costly signalling and precommitment costs might, but everyone rational would implement a free signal that made the judge more likely to put the money in the box- regardless of their actual intent.

Comment author: FeepingCreature 20 June 2013 04:55:42AM *  1 point [-]

If it was free, it wouldn't make the judge more likely to put the money in the box. Unless the judge was really bad at his job.

Comment author: Decius 20 June 2013 05:10:57AM 0 points [-]

What if it was sunk cost? Should that convince a judge?

What if the precommitment cost is lower than the difference between the high reward and the low reward? Should that convince a judge?

Where does social signalling actually help to make the decision?

Comment author: FeepingCreature 20 June 2013 11:47:54AM *  0 points [-]

I think the idea is that, given an assumption of having a fairly typical mind, the signal is supposed to be unlikely if one is not precommitted to whatever one is signalling allegiance to. Though honestly, I have no idea how you'd convincingly signal that you're following TDT. Evolution did not prepare me for that situation! :)

Comment author: Decius 21 June 2013 02:22:19AM 0 points [-]

If the judge knows that you are trying to convince him, then there should be nothing you can do which convinces him short of committing to a penalty cost if you take a different action (which is the same as changing the payoff matrix); If I manage to commit to giving $1500 to a charity that I hate (e.g. Westboro) if I take both boxes, and communicate that commitment to the judge, then I can convince the judge that I will take one box.

I don't have to convince him of my decision process, only of my actions.

Comment author: Luke_A_Somers 20 June 2013 09:17:26PM *  0 points [-]

Saying you'll two-box does make it easier to predict...

Cue the slow clap on the people who say they'll two-box (of course they only say that since they discount the possibility that this will ever actually happen).

Comment author: Decius 21 June 2013 02:52:22AM 0 points [-]

Don't you believe us? I do discount the possibility that the impossible version will happen, but not the possibility that a near-analogue will happen. I withhold my judgement on near-analogues until and unless I have sufficient information to estimate the results.