DSherron comments on Bad Concepts Repository - Less Wrong

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Comment author: DSherron 28 June 2013 01:58:17AM -2 points [-]

Things encoded in human brains are part of the territory; but this does not mean that anything we imagine is in the territory in any other sense. "Should" is not an operator that has any useful reference in the territory, even within human minds. It is confused, in the moral sense of "should" at least. Telling anyone "you shouldn't do that" when what you really mean is "I want you to stop doing that" isn't productive. If they want to do it then they don't care what they "should" or "shouldn't" do unless you can explain to them why they in fact do or don't want to do that thing. In the sense that "should do x" means "on reflection would prefer to do x" it is useful. The farther you move from that, the less useful it becomes.

Comment author: buybuydandavis 28 June 2013 09:06:33AM 2 points [-]

Telling anyone "you shouldn't do that" when what you really mean is "I want you to stop doing that" isn't productive.

But that's not what they mean, or at least not all that they mean.

Look, I'm a fan of Stirner and a moral subjectviist, so you don't have to explain the nonsense people have in their heads with regard to morality to me. I'm on board with Stirner, in considering the world populated with fools in a madhouse, who only seem to go about free because their asylum takes in so wide a space.

But there are different kinds of preferences, and moral preferences have different implications than our preferences for shoes and ice cream. It's handy to have a label to separate those out, and "moral" is the accurate one, regardless of the other nonsense people have in their heads about morality.