PECOS-9 comments on Public Service Announcement Collection - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Technoguyrob 27 June 2013 08:37:29PM 7 points [-]

p/s/a: Going up to a girl pretty much anywhere in public and saying something like "I thought you looked cute and wanted to meet you" actually works if your body language is in order. If this seems too scary, going on Chatroulette or Omegle and being vaguely interesting also works, and I know people who have gotten married from meeting this way.

p/s/a: Vitamin D supplements can take you from depressed zombie to functioning human being in one week.

Comment author: NancyLebovitz 29 June 2013 11:31:57AM 4 points [-]

if your body language is in order.

What do you have in mind?

Comment author: gothgirl420666 27 June 2013 11:06:44PM 4 points [-]

p/s/a: Going up to a girl pretty much anywhere in public and saying something like "I thought you looked cute and wanted to meet you" actually works if your body language is in order.

Is this true? Aside from the fact that getting "your body language in order" is easier said than done, it would be pretty easy to do an experiment to test this hypothesis. You could approach one hundred women in this way and see how many responses you got of each of the following nature: active hostility, passive "please go away" politeness, friendliness, perceived actual sexual desire. You could even get, say, five different men from different quintiles of physical attractiveness to see how it varies.

I kind of want to do it myself, but to be honest I'm probably too much of a wimp.

If this seems too scary, going on Chatroulette or Omegle and being vaguely interesting also works, and I know people who have gotten married from meeting this way.

The one time I went on Omegle everyone kept next-ing me almost instantly, and maybe one out of five times they next-ed me as soon as I said "hello" or the equivalent. I can't think of any characteristic I have that would make me exceptionally next-able, so I concluded that Omegle was a really frustrating waste of time. I'm confused as to why other people concluded otherwise.

Comment author: OrphanWilde 27 June 2013 11:11:37PM 3 points [-]

Is this true? Aside from the fact that getting "your body language in order" is easier said than done, it would be pretty easy to do an experiment to test this hypothesis. You could approach one hundred women in this way and see how many responses you got of each of the following nature: active hostility, passive "please go away" politeness, friendliness, perceived actual sexual desire. You could even get, say, five different men from different quintiles of physical attractiveness to see how it varies.

  • I'll volunteer to try this if anyone else want to set up an empirical test of this. Somebody else will have to evaluate attractiveness, though.
Comment author: [deleted] 28 June 2013 02:35:30PM 1 point [-]

The one time I went on Omegle everyone kept next-ing me almost instantly, and maybe one out of five times they next-ed me as soon as I said "hello" or the equivalent. I can't think of any characteristic I have that would make me exceptionally next-able, so I concluded that Omegle was a really frustrating waste of time. I'm confused as to why other people concluded otherwise.

Anecdata: I've been dating someone I met on Omegle for 8 months. However, I'm not sure I would recommend it as a means of meeting interesting people. Finding good conversations on Omegle seems to depend mostly on luck, but also on what keywords you enter as "interests," and on what time of day you use the site.

Comment author: Alsadius 29 June 2013 06:29:12PM 0 points [-]

I've not tried it myself(at least, not often enough to have useful data), but from all I've heard it can work. It's low probability - single-digit percentages for most guys, it seems - but the investment of time and effort in doing it is sufficiently low that it can still be a good strategy, as long as you have a high tolerance for rejection.

Comment author: John_Maxwell_IV 29 June 2013 06:08:33PM *  0 points [-]

The one time I went on Omegle everyone kept next-ing me almost instantly, and maybe one out of five times they next-ed me as soon as I said "hello" or the equivalent. I can't think of any characteristic I have that would make me exceptionally next-able, so I concluded that Omegle was a really frustrating waste of time. I'm confused as to why other people concluded otherwise.

Some tips for using Omegle: Choose the text chat option. Put in at least 40 interests that might appeal to someone who thinks (ideally you'll have enough interests so that you're never getting random strangers). Open 2-3 browser tabs so you can fish for interesting people in parallel and use ctrl-tab and ctrl-shift-tab to cycle tabs (or don't do this, if you don't want to get sucked in). Press escape three times to get a new person. Generally do this if the person you're chatting with asks your gender within the first 5 messages they send.

I have had success with Omegle's video option, but I think you just have to accept the fact that a lot of people are going to next you just so that you won't next them first. Could be good for building a thicker skin.

Comment author: CAE_Jones 28 June 2013 12:51:26PM 0 points [-]

The one time I went on Omegle everyone kept next-ing me almost instantly, and maybe one out of five times they next-ed me as soon as I said "hello" or the equivalent. I can't think of any characteristic I have that would make me exceptionally next-able, so I concluded that Omegle was a really frustrating waste of time. I'm confused as to why other people concluded otherwise.

My experience was similar. The main exceptions were guys who next'd when they found out I wasn't going to send them pictures of the "hot chick" they were hoping to meet, and one person advertising benaughty.com who I'm not convinced was not a bot.

Comment author: RomeoStevens 28 June 2013 01:55:06AM *  3 points [-]

Continuing: Other substances whose deficiency is common and seem to have large effects for a subset of the population. By that I mean they see immediate relief after supplementing.

  • Magnesium: issues with muscle tension, cramps, poor sleep quality.
  • Potassium: immediate strong nootropic effects for some people. Coconut water is the most popular method of fixing this.
  • B12: absorption seems to be poor enough that deficiency is common even among people who eat b12 rich foods. Especially important for older folks as absorption declines with age. Responsible for many things people chalk up to age: aches, nervous tension, poor sleep, anxiety, depression, lethargy etc.
  • Saturated fat: immediate strong nootropic effects for some people.
Comment author: Epiphany 28 June 2013 08:21:39AM 0 points [-]

Re: B12 - Actually, new PSA.

Comment author: David_Gerard 28 June 2013 09:31:32AM 10 points [-]

if your body language is in order

This reads unfortunately like an excuse ahead of time. "Oh, your body language must not have been in order."

(Although I do agree that if you're not socially offensive, just telling people when you fancy them does in fact work quite well and I wish I'd realised that ten years earlier than I had.)

Comment author: Epiphany 28 June 2013 01:46:31AM *  7 points [-]

Word to the wise: If you substitute "hot" for "cute" you may get unanticipated negative results. I would not interpret "hot" in anywhere near the same way as "cute". Here's how that would translate for me:

"I thought you looked cute..." = "I am likely to be interested in things like emotional intimacy and cuddling."

"I thought you looked hot..." = "I am likely to be one of those guys who is going to be so persistent in making attempts to get casual sex out of you tonight that it is going to drive you up a wall."

I have nothing against sex, but like many people, I am annoyed by persistent attempts to get things from me.

Comment author: Dahlen 02 July 2013 08:12:59PM 1 point [-]
Comment author: Prismattic 29 June 2013 01:03:25AM 2 points [-]

p/s/a: Going up to a girl pretty much anywhere in public and saying something like "I thought you looked cute and wanted to meet you" actually works if your body language is in order. If this seems too scary, going on Chatroulette or Omegle and being vaguely interesting also works, and I know people who have gotten married from meeting this way.

Probably already accounted for by the use of the word "girl" rather than "woman" here, but I suspect this depends on the age of the lady in question (and on the age of the man, for that matter).

Comment author: falenas108 29 June 2013 02:33:42PM 1 point [-]

Going up to a girl pretty much anywhere in public and saying something like "I thought you looked cute and wanted to meet you" actually works if your body language is in order.

Going up to a /anyone/ and telling them you find them attractive works decently well with the right body language, regardless of the genders involved on either end.

Comment author: Epiphany 28 June 2013 07:15:08AM *  1 point [-]

At times when I was low on iodine or B vitamins, I've had the zombie one day functioning the next experience as well. There are other things that are supposed to have an effect like omega 3. Then there are other things like the "Atkin's attitude" which is reported to happen to some who reduce their carb levels enough to make their blood sugar too low. It might be possible to eat a weird enough diet that you consume too little tryptophan to make serotonin. It might make more sense to consider the full spectrum of relevant substances instead of trying this and that.

Also, not all vitamin supplement brands are equal. Some are far, far better than others. On consumerlab.com Solgar, Jarrow, Puritan's Pride, Vitamin World and Nature's Bounty were tested in lots of different reviews and have a very good track record, whereas there are a lot of other brands that, after only a few tests, showed problems with things as shocking as lead contamination and spoilage - not to mention the problem of simply not providing as much of the substances as they claimed to.

If you need supplements to stay happy, I hope you have a high-quality one.

Comment author: fubarobfusco 27 June 2013 09:57:51PM -1 points [-]

p/s/a: Vitamin D supplements can take you from depressed zombie to functioning human being in one week.

Anecdote time!

A therapist suggested a few months ago that I get my Vitamin D level checked — citing low levels as a possible cause of low, somewhat depressive moods. I finally got around to doing that. Last week I got the test results; it turns out it's a bit below the normal range. So my doctor advised I should take 1000 IU of Vitamin D3 daily. I'm not sure it's working, but I have generally felt both more cheerful and more productive since.

But don't start taking it without actually testing first. Hypervitaminosis D doesn't sound like any fun at all.

Comment author: gwern 27 June 2013 10:21:11PM 13 points [-]

But don't start taking it without actually testing first. Hypervitaminosis D doesn't sound like any fun at all.

As the article points out, even a conservative estimate is that the upper limit is probably ~10k IU (and if you look at the earlier sections, it's safe to inject as much as 600k IU). 1k IU is going to be safe for everyone who isn't already popping 9k IU...

Comment author: wedrifid 27 June 2013 10:32:28PM 6 points [-]

But don't start taking it without actually testing first. Hypervitaminosis D doesn't sound like any fun at all.

It feels uncomfortable to be advising Less Caution but in the case of vitamin D supplementation most people who don't supplement vitamin D already and who don't spend their lives naked in the sun would be well served just adding daily vitamin D3 to their schedule. The safety risk is negligible and for most people the value of information over assuming based on priors and just supplementing is low.

Comment author: Kawoomba 27 June 2013 10:41:25PM 2 points [-]

Also, it always helps taking a pill you believe in! Choose a big one, too.

Comment author: wedrifid 27 June 2013 10:42:49PM 2 points [-]

Also, it always helps taking a pill you believe in! Choose a big one, too.

Omega 3 capsules are perfect!

Comment author: Kawoomba 27 June 2013 10:43:43PM 1 point [-]

Don't reflect on it!

Comment author: wedrifid 27 June 2013 10:49:54PM 1 point [-]

Don't reflect on it!

Oh, I don't get my placebo thrills out of tablets any more. I find intramuscular injections far more effective!

Comment author: gwern 27 June 2013 10:54:20PM 8 points [-]

Omega-3: the gateway supplement.

Comment author: aelephant 28 June 2013 12:48:02AM 1 point [-]

You need to take more than 4000 IU/day (probably for quite some time) to have any hope of toxicity. I knew a man who accidentally took 50,000 IU daily for one week (meant to be weekly per his prescription) and suffered no ill effects. Some people may even require doses above 4000 IU/day to get their Vitamin D levels up to target.

Comment author: David_Gerard 28 June 2013 09:32:59AM *  -1 points [-]

I take 10,000 a day. (20,000 is when I start feeling side effects.) It's done wonders for my general mood and energy levels. WARNING: Ramp up and proceed with caution.

Comment author: gwern 28 October 2013 10:21:16PM 1 point [-]

Have you done any blood-work showing 10k IU to put your blood levels in the appropriate ranges?

Comment author: David_Gerard 29 October 2013 08:43:01AM -1 points [-]

Nuh.

Comment author: Douglas_Knight 28 October 2013 08:00:30PM 0 points [-]

How fast did the negative effects appear when you were taking 20k/day? What were they?

And how fast did you notice positive effects as you changed dosage?

Serious negative effects are supposed to take months to appear, even at 100k/day.

Comment author: David_Gerard 29 October 2013 08:42:47AM 0 points [-]

Negative effect: The metallic taste one, that day; I backed right off. Positve effects: within a few days.

Comment author: Douglas_Knight 29 October 2013 03:25:29PM 0 points [-]

Did you ramp up? That is, did you try 5k for weeks before trying 10k? Did you get any blood tests?

Comment author: [deleted] 28 June 2013 12:16:57PM 1 point [-]

pretty much anywhere in public

For some value of “pretty much anywhere in public”, I guess. I wouldn't do that in an Islamic country, for example.

Comment author: Risto_Saarelma 28 June 2013 12:04:18PM 0 points [-]

p/s/a: Vitamin D supplements can take you from depressed zombie to functioning human being in one week.

This might be particularly relevant if you live somewhere where the sun gets turned off for winter. I anecdotally de-zombified myself last January when I thought of the SAD connection and started eating vitamin D supplements.